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08-03-2022, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JBM3M
explain because
"How it is wired" is a new one on me. Like I said each leg of a 220vac breaker (on a conventional house panel) pulls off of one (separate) 120vac lug in the box. Each leg sends out 120vac to the receptacle. I know of no other way to wire 220vac, please explain how to wire differently
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I'd like to know also. That's how mines wired.
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08-03-2022, 09:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JBM3M
explain because
"How it is wired" is a new one on me. Like I said each leg of a 220vac breaker (on a conventional house panel) pulls off of one (separate) 120vac lug in the box. Each leg sends out 120vac to the receptacle. I know of no other way to wire 220vac, please explain how to wire differently
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I'm not an electrician, so WTF do I know!
Plug it in, if it works you're golden! If it smokes it was probably wrong!
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08-03-2022, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by travelin texans
I'm not an electrician, so WTF do I know!
Plug it in, if it works you're golden! If it smokes it was probably wrong!
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Basically, a 3 prong 240v outlet has two hot wires, one to each leg on a double throw breaker and a ground. An RV 120v plug only has one hot wire off the breaker, a neutral and a ground. All 4 prong outlets are wired with two hot wires, 120 v on each leg, a neutral and a ground, doesn’t matter if it’s RV or household such as a dryer. The area where people get into trouble and smoke their rv is on improperly wired 3 prong plugs.
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08-07-2022, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ChuckS
Actually a 50 amp RV can utilize 100 amps.. each leg is 50 amps with the normal configuration for air conditioners wired one on each leg..
When connected to a RV 50 amp pedestal that’s 12,000 watts …
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Chuck,
My 50 amp can't be normal config because both my a/c are on the same leg by my EMS showing 29 amps and 6 Amps. Must have the micro, electric fireplace and washer dryer on the other leg. Just guessing, but you would think they would have split them
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08-07-2022, 02:01 PM
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4 wire brings a separate neutral into the plug with the ground and two legs
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08-07-2022, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Captainf2
Chuck,
My 50 amp can't be normal config because both my a/c are on the same leg by my EMS showing 29 amps and 6 Amps. Must have the micro, electric fireplace and washer dryer on the other leg. Just guessing, but you would think they would have split them
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Mine is the same way which I don't like. In the hot weather here in TX the A/Cs run continuously. Right now it's pulling 30A on one leg and 0 on the other. I'm going out in about 5 minutes and rebalance the power center to eliminate that. The 2 A/C breakers only have one 15A between them and they get pretty warm side by side. Been meaning to do it for a while but keep forgetting/putting it off. Running outside the house for a week helps me remember...
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08-07-2022, 04:15 PM
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In post 13 bobecky refers to 208Y power and how it is wired. Several asked what he was referring to. I'm no electrician but I think he is referring to commercial power that I've encountered in large buildings. It involves 3 phase wiring and voltages of 480 and 277 volts. The cables have 3 hot legs, not two like we normally see. Maybe we have an actual electrician on the forum that can explain commercial power and correct errors that I've likely made in my comments above.
Edit: I will add that I've never encountered such wiring on campground systems but I suppose it is possible.
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08-07-2022, 05:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sourdough
Mine is the same way which I don't like. In the hot weather here in TX the A/Cs run continuously. Right now it's pulling 30A on one leg and 0 on the other. I'm going out in about 5 minutes and rebalance the power center to eliminate that. The 2 A/C breakers only have one 15A between them and they get pretty warm side by side. Been meaning to do it for a while but keep forgetting/putting it off. Running outside the house for a week helps me remember...
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Just a follow up on my comments about running 2 A/Cs on one leg; moved the power to the breakers around to rebalance the load on each side of the 50A service. It was 30A (when I read it) on one side, 0A on the other. Rewired the panel, fired everything up and now I have 15A one side and 16A the other....I like that better.
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08-07-2022, 05:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sourdough
Just a follow up on my comments about running 2 A/Cs on one leg; moved the power to the breakers around to rebalance the load on each side of the 50A service. It was 30A (when I read it) on one side, 0A on the other. Rewired the panel, fired everything up and now I have 15A one side and 16A the other....I like that better.
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I need to check how mines wired. That only makes sense. Simple fix.
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08-07-2022, 05:47 PM
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All the 50A trailer that I have seen with 2 AC’s have them on opposite legs. Even the 50A with 3 AC’s put 1 one the “other” leg.
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08-07-2022, 05:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckster57
All the 50A trailer that I have seen with 2 AC’s have them on opposite legs. Even the 50A with 3 AC’s put 1 one the “other” leg.
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That only makes sense. But I'm sure some of the engineers behind desk didn't think of that.
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08-10-2022, 06:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Captainf2
Chuck,
My 50 amp can't be normal config because both my a/c are on the same leg by my EMS showing 29 amps and 6 Amps. Must have the micro, electric fireplace and washer dryer on the other leg. Just guessing, but you would think they would have split them
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Agree. My 2017 Montana HC had both a/c on the same leg. Had to change to opposite legs then changed fireplace and water heater to opposite legs to balance the high draw items. Much easier for power management when using generators that supply 30amp to each leg. Such as a typical 7K generator with 240v 30amp breaker.
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08-10-2022, 01:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nankipoo
That only makes sense. But I'm sure some of the engineers behind desk didn't think of that.
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Most likely engineered properly but installed by an installer not very smart or not paying attention. I won't glorify him with the title "technician."
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08-10-2022, 08:53 PM
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120/208 (277/480) VAC is a 3 phase voltage, commercial and industrial use for the most part
120/240 VAC is a single phase voltage, residential use for the most part.
My .02$
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