Wheel bearings and seal

92xj · 03-17-2022, 09:04 AM

After spending the money 2 years ago for the dealer to pack the bearings, figured it was my turn to learn and do them myself. Before I pull the seal, I want to have the new ones ordered and don't exactly know what seal to get. I pulled everything to get the part number on the back of the seal, like I used to do 15 years ago for vehicles and trailers, but, there are no numbers on this seal.
Can someone point me in the right direction to find what axle part numbers to start chasing to figure out (and record) what seals and eventually bearing part numbers I need to order. Will be repacking bearings with Lucas Red and Tacky as that is what seems to be recommended in most all threads I have searched. It's not everyone answers, but seems to be the most consistent answer seen.

2019 Cougar 2525BHSWE 15" wheels

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markcee · 03-17-2022, 09:13 AM

I have the same 4400 lb Lippert axles on my 2020. Here is the info on related axle assembly parts I've compiled and keep handy:

 Hub 814202 (Lippert)
 Hub Outer Bearing 15123 / 122091 (Timken / Lippert)
 Hub Outer Bearing Race 15245 / 126996 (Timken / Lippert)
 Hub Inner Bearing 25580 / 122066 (Timken / Lippert)
 Hub Inner Bearing Race 25520 / 124287 (Timken / Lippert)
 Hub Bearing Seal 333962 (Lippert)
 Brake Magnet 136447 (Lippert)
 Complete LH Brake Assembly 296651 (Lippert)
 Complete RH Brake Assembly 296652 (Lippert)

Notes: Have used WPS Trailer Axle Hub Wheel Grease Seal 10-36 (22333TB) 5200-7000# E-Z Lube 2.250'' X 3.376'', purchased from Amazon, without issue

92xj · 03-17-2022, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by markcee

I have the same 4400 lb Lippert axles on my 2020. Here is the info on related axle assembly parts I've compiled and keep handy:

 Hub 814202 (Lippert)
 Hub Outer Bearing 15123 / 122091 (Timken / Lippert)
 Hub Outer Bearing Race 15245 / 126996 (Timken / Lippert)
 Hub Inner Bearing 25580 / 122066 (Timken / Lippert)
 Hub Inner Bearing Race 25520 / 124287 (Timken / Lippert)
 Hub Bearing Seal 333962 (Lippert)
 Brake Magnet 136447 (Lippert)
 Complete LH Brake Assembly 296651 (Lippert)
 Complete RH Brake Assembly 296652 (Lippert)

Notes: Have used WPS Trailer Axle Hub Wheel Grease Seal 10-36 (22333TB) 5200-7000# E-Z Lube 2.250'' X 3.376'', purchased from Amazon, without issue

Thank you!
While looking on amazon, is this price difference worth the product?

4 pack of the WPS 22333TB @$13 for all 4
https://www.amazon.com/WPS-Trailer-G...ustomerReviews

2 pack Lippert 333962 @$17 for 2
https://www.amazon.com/Lippert-33396...ef_=ast_sto_dp

markcee · 03-17-2022, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 92xj

Thank you!
While looking on amazon, is this price difference worth the product?

4 pack of the WPS 22333TB @$13 for all 4
https://www.amazon.com/WPS-Trailer-G...ustomerReviews

2 pack Lippert 333962 @$17 for 2
https://www.amazon.com/Lippert-33396...ef_=ast_sto_dp

I've used these WPS seals without issue. The ratings were good so I gave them a try and so far so good. I'm sure the Lippert pricing is because it's a 'name brand'.....but they are probably made in the same province of China as the WPS!

More experienced members will certainly chime in.

**JRTJH** · 03-17-2022, 10:58 AM

Your axles are Lippert 5200 axles that have been "derated" to 4400 pounds. The axle part number verifies it's a 5200 pound assembly: LCI52-SBSA-85-68.5-NOSP-OS-L-65515....

As long as the seals are Double Lip seals they should be OK for use. DO NOT SETTLE FOR SINGLE LIP SEALS ON ANY EZ-LUBE AXLE HUB !!!!!

Here's the link to the Lippert axle component parts list: https://lci-support-doc.s3.amazonaws...cd-0004159.pdf

And the Lippert axle owner's manual: https://lci-support-doc.s3.amazonaws...cd_0001660.pdf

Here's the actual page with your parts illustrated from the manual:

markcee · 03-17-2022, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRTJH

Your axles are Lippert 5200 axles that have been "derated" to 4400 pounds. The axle part number verifies it's a 5200 pound assembly: LCI52-SBSA-85-68.5-NOSP-OS-L-65515....

As long as the seals are Double Lip seals they should be OK for use. DO NOT SETTLE FOR SINGLE LIP SEALS ON ANY EZ-LUBE AXLE HUB !!!!!

Here's the link to the Lippert axle component parts list: https://lci-support-doc.s3.amazonaws...cd-0004159.pdf

And the Lippert axle owner's manual: https://lci-support-doc.s3.amazonaws...cd_0001660.pdf

Here's the actual page with your parts illustrated from the manual:

Interesting how there are part # variances, for the same axle, as the info provided to me via email from Lippert CS. Here's an excerpt from the email I received from LCI:

814202 Brake Hub, 655-1/2", 6000#

3. 25520/124287
4. 25580 /122066
5 15245/126996
6. 15123/122091

first column is your hub assembly part number. If you order that part number, it comes packed and greased with bearings, races and grease seal.

The third, fourth, fifth and sixth columns are your bearing/race combinations. The number to the left of the slash is the Timken number if you want to source these parts at a local part store. The number to the right of the slash is our part number, if you were to order the bearings/races from us.

The grease seal is 333962, which is a two pack.

Thank you.

John, can you expand on the derate? I've read about this in other posts here, and elsewhere but when I mentioned this to LCI as a sidenote in another email, they would not 'admit' to it. What was/is the reasoning for this....other than making it difficult to find info in parts catalogs that relate to a '4400 lb Lippert axle'.

bsmith0404 · 03-17-2022, 12:05 PM

I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding for derated axles is the end product manufacturer usually requests them because they are required to match tire capacity to the axle. If you have 5200 lb axles, they would need tires rated for 2600 each, with 4400 lb axles, they only need tires rated for 2200 lbs each. This will also lower the GVWR.

markcee · 03-17-2022, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsmith0404

I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding for derated axles is the end product manufacturer usually requests them because they are required to match tire capacity to the axle. If you have 5200 lb axles, they would need tires rated for 2600 each, with 4400 lb axles, they only need tires rated for 2200 lbs each. This will also lower the GVWR.

That makes good sense, thank you.

92xj · 03-17-2022, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRTJH

Your axles are Lippert 5200 axles that have been "derated" to 4400 pounds. The axle part number verifies it's a 5200 pound assembly: LCI52-SBSA-85-68.5-NOSP-OS-L-65515....

As long as the seals are Double Lip seals they should be OK for use. DO NOT SETTLE FOR SINGLE LIP SEALS ON ANY EZ-LUBE AXLE HUB !!!!!

Here's the link to the Lippert axle component parts list: https://lci-support-doc.s3.amazonaws...cd-0004159.pdf

And the Lippert axle owner's manual: https://lci-support-doc.s3.amazonaws...cd_0001660.pdf

Here's the actual page with your parts illustrated from the manual:

Thanks, that's a huge help as well.
I don't plan to use the grease zero for these wheels bearings. I will pull apart and hand pack each year,

92xj · 03-17-2022, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markcee

Interesting how there are part # variances, for the same axle, as the info provided to me via email from Lippert CS. Here's an excerpt from the email I received from LCI:

814202 Brake Hub, 655-1/2", 6000#

3. 25520/124287
4. 25580 /122066
5 15245/126996
6. 15123/122091

first column is your hub assembly part number. If you order that part number, it comes packed and greased with bearings, races and grease seal.

The third, fourth, fifth and sixth columns are your bearing/race combinations. The number to the left of the slash is the Timken number if you want to source these parts at a local part store. The number to the right of the slash is our part number, if you were to order the bearings/races from us.

The grease seal is 333962, which is a two pack.

Thank you.

John, can you expand on the derate? I've read about this in other posts here, and elsewhere but when I mentioned this to LCI as a sidenote in another email, they would not 'admit' to it. What was/is the reasoning for this....other than making it difficult to find info in parts catalogs that relate to a '4400 lb Lippert axle'.

I went with the expensive option from amazon, https://www.amazon.com/Lippert-33396...ef_=ast_sto_dp I wanted to knock it out this weekend and amazing will have them to me tomorrow, they say.
We'll see how they do, but if I stick to my plan of doing this every year, I might just go to your WPS recommendation. Thanks again for your help and guidance.

hlh1 · 03-17-2022, 02:10 PM

What is the type of bearing grease that Keystone uses on the bearings when new? I want to use the same stuff.

bsmith0404 · 03-17-2022, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hlh1

What is the type of bearing grease that Keystone uses on the bearings when new? I want to use the same stuff.

It’s not Keystone, it’s the axle manufacturer, typically Dexter. Dexter has a chart that shows compatible greases, typically a no 2 red. I’ve used red and tacky, mobile 1 (that stuff drips too much) Mystik and Amsoil no 2 greases. If I remember correctly they’re all in the chart. Verify your axle manufacturer to make sure

92xj · 03-17-2022, 02:46 PM

I don't know grease at all, but surely Lucas Red and tacky fits in with this list?
which I pulled from page 4 of this pdf
https://lci-support-doc.s3.amazonaws...cd-0001942.pdf

Approved Grease Sources
Mobil Oil
Mobilgrease HP
Exxon Standard
Ronex MP
Kendall Refining Co.
Kendall L-427
Ashland Oil Co.
Valvoline Val-plex EP Grease
Pennzoil Prod. Co.
Premium Wheel Bearing Grease 707L

With grease specs listed on page 5

Thickener Type Lithium Complex
Dropping Point 230°C (446°F) Minimum
Consistency NLGI No. 2
Additives EP, Corrosion and Oxidation Inhibitors
Base Oil Solvent Refined Petroleum Oil
Base Oil Viscosity @40°C (104°F) 150cSt (695 SUS) Minimum
Viscosity Index 80 Minimum
Pour Point 10°C (14°F) Minimum

hlh1 · 03-17-2022, 02:49 PM

I'll have a look at the axle.

ChuckS · 03-18-2022, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hlh1

What is the type of bearing grease that Keystone uses on the bearings when new? I want to use the same stuff.

IF you use Lucas Red & Tacky on the wheel bearings and suspension it is all you will ever need.. It doesn't matter what they did or didn't use .. This is all you need for your RV and autos

and MAKE CERTAIN that you initially torque that wheel bearing nut to 50 ft lbs and then back it off and FINGER TIGHTEN ONLY otherwise you will have issues...

watch this vide from Dexter... this is a very simple maintenance task to do if you have some mech skills

https://youtu.be/GnH-h3W9XvI

hlh1 · 03-18-2022, 05:09 AM

Thanks Chuck, that's what I needed to know. I'll get some of this:

https://www.amazon.com/Lucas-Oil-Tac.../dp/B006RYX0QY

gearhead · 03-18-2022, 05:48 AM

For future reference..
http://www.dexterpartsonline.com/page/402089726

GHen · 03-18-2022, 09:10 AM

While you have the drum off, check to make sure the seal surface on the axel is absolutely smooth. Lippert had some axels in 2017 and 2018 that were not. Mine was one. Grease contaminated all four brake systems. I could drag my finger nail across the surface and feel the lathe groves.

I was able to smooth my surface. There is also a class action lawsuit by some on the issue.

**JRTJH** · 03-18-2022, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GHen

While you have the drum off, check to make sure the seal surface on the axel is absolutely smooth. Lippert had some axels in 2017 and 2018 that were not. Mine was one. Grease contaminated all four brake systems. I could drag my finger nail across the surface and feel the lathe groves.

I was able to smooth my surface. There is also a class action lawsuit by some on the issue.

One of the many reasons I'm replacing my Lippert axles with Dexter axles... To me, it's much like the Trailer King vs Carlisle or Endurance issues.... You can only cut so much from quality to get the lowest bid pricing before the product just doesn't measure up to a "first rate part"....

I think Keystone is slowly realizing this as well. They've recently started moving toward Dexter axles, adding optional upgrade tires/TPMS systems and even disc brake packages on some of their heavier trailers.... I'm hoping they're "seeing the light" and realizing that the "lowest bid parts" is not always the cheapest route for the customer....

Time will tell.....

92xj · 03-19-2022, 09:29 AM

When you guys are cleaning out the hubs and bearings of old grease, are you brake cleaning them or just wiping as much as possible out and off?
I am at this point with wiping and call this good on utility and my boat trailer, I can and will be a little more anal on my TT with all things.

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