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11-23-2020, 03:17 PM
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truck advice for novice
Okay have I done this correct?
Camper gvrw 10400
2392 23 percent plus 500=2,800 pin weight
Tk payload 3890 - 2800=1090 extra
Used the below
With YOUR 5th wheel use the GVWR from the manufacturer tag on the drivers side front corner of the RV & calculate 23% of that for a good average pin weight of your rv. To that pin weight add 100-125lbs for the weight of the hitch plus the weight of everyone/everything in/on your truck that did not come from the factory & subtract those weights from the posted payload of your truck.
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Jacksonville, Nc
2020 Keystone Cougar 5th wheel 29 rks traded now
2021 3761 fl Montana 5th wheel
Pulled with a 2022 F350 King Ranch
Retired LEO after 35 years just enjoying life now.
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11-23-2020, 06:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Camping family
Okay have I done this correct?
Camper gvrw 10400
2392 23 percent plus 500=2,800 pin weight
Tk payload 3890 - 2800=1090 extra
Used the below
With YOUR 5th wheel use the GVWR from the manufacturer tag on the drivers side front corner of the RV & calculate 23% of that for a good average pin weight of your rv. To that pin weight add 100-125lbs for the weight of the hitch plus the weight of everyone/everything in/on your truck that did not come from the factory & subtract those weights from the posted payload of your truck.
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Was this meant for another thread??
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2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
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11-24-2020, 06:26 AM
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Yes under truck advice for novice
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Bob/Kay
Jacksonville, Nc
2020 Keystone Cougar 5th wheel 29 rks traded now
2021 3761 fl Montana 5th wheel
Pulled with a 2022 F350 King Ranch
Retired LEO after 35 years just enjoying life now.
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11-24-2020, 08:36 AM
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The above looks almost correct. You are using 23% for pin weight which indicates a 5th wheel. The hitch weight may or may not be correct. Do you know what kind of 5th wheel hitch you have or will get? That number could be 50 or 350. Also, depending on the family etc. that 500 seems light to me. I probably carry almost that in bottle jacks, tools, boards, folding table(s), ice chests, puppy "stuff" etc.
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2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
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11-24-2020, 04:20 PM
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Looks good to me. You still got just over 1000 for more people and stuff
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12-22-2020, 05:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Camping family
Okay have I done this correct?
Camper gvrw 10400
2392 23 percent plus 500=2,800 pin weight
Tk payload 3890 - 2800=1090 extra
Used the below
With YOUR 5th wheel use the GVWR from the manufacturer tag on the drivers side front corner of the RV & calculate 23% of that for a good average pin weight of your rv. To that pin weight add 100-125lbs for the weight of the hitch plus the weight of everyone/everything in/on your truck that did not come from the factory & subtract those weights from the posted payload of your truck.
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Bob/Kay
Jacksonville, Nc
2020 Keystone Cougar 5th wheel 29 rks
Pulled with a F250 King Ranch
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Well I see a problem with your numbers.
Where did you get the truck payload number, sorry but 3,890 is a about 1,500# over what a 10,000# GVWR F250 King Ranch should have for payload.
What year is the F250 King Ranch, if newer than 2006 there should be a Yellow sticker in the drivers door area that states maximum payload for your truck.
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2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW 14,000# GVWR (New TV)
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS 32’ GVWR 12,360
Visit and enjoy Oregon State Parks
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12-22-2020, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by rhagfo
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Well I see a problem with your numbers.
Where did you get the truck payload number, sorry but 3,890 is a about 1,500# over what a 10,000# GVWR F250 King Ranch should have for payload.
What year is the F250 King Ranch, if newer than 2006 there should be a Yellow sticker in the drivers door area that states maximum payload for your truck.
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A King Ranch has that low of a payload capacity? Assuming he has a heavier diesel engine (KR's do come with gassers I believe). Even then, the diesel can't be that heavy, cant it? My gas F250 XLT is at 3266 lbs. Correct me here if I'm waaay of base, new to the F250 scene so my knowledge of the different models and their capacities is not up to par.
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12-22-2020, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill-2020
A King Ranch has that low of a payload capacity? Assuming he has a heavier diesel engine (KR's do come with gassers I believe). Even then, the diesel can't be that heavy, cant it? My gas F250 XLT is at 3266 lbs. Correct me here if I'm waaay of base, new to the F250 scene so my knowledge of the different models and their capacities is not up to par.
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My '12 F250 Crew Cab, long bed XLT with diesel 6.7 had a payload of 2620
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12-22-2020, 07:11 AM
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Long bed and diesel... Ok that makes sense. And I also read a moment ago that the aluminum body panels are also saving hundreds of pounds adding to the cargo capacities of the newer models.
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12-22-2020, 07:35 AM
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Same old issue that's been discussed hundreds of times. "Advertised" payload vs real payload. Most advertised truck payload numbers are rare to find and certainly not what the truck in question is rated at. If you read the fine print disclaimers on the "ads" it will read something like "properly equipped" and "check your truck's capacity" etc.
I have an F150 King Ranch and the payload is pretty wimpy. The F250 in my signature is a low end super cab (small rear doors and smaller bench seat in back). The diesel adds about 800 lbs. and my truck came with a "snow plow pkg.) which means an extra leaf in the rear and heavier front coil springs. It also means an extra hard ride but I bought it used, at a great price and it gets the job done.
The "advertised" trucks are typically base model single cab trucks with no options. Every option added is thus SUBTRACTED from the truck's load carting capacity. So, in the case of our F150 KR start tabulating all the weight of all those nice things. Leather everything, lots of speakers and amplifiers, lots of plumbing for zone control and rear ac/heat, heated and cooled seats, front and rear consoles, electric motorized rear cab window, a bunch of motors in the seats, more sound insulation, and on and on.
It's a very simple formula really. The more the mfg. puts in the truck (options) the more the truck will weigh and thus the less it can carry. Anything the dealer or the owner adds to the truck like a bed liner, tonneau cover, tool box, tools, brush bar, step bars, floor liners, stuff in the glove box and change in the cup holder also REDUCE the load carting capacity by the weight of the additions.
It's easy to see how a high trim level, optioned out, crew cab diesel 3/4 ton can end up with less payload capacity than a bare bones single cab 2 wheel drive gasser 1/2 ton. Despite what some may want to argue the only way to get to the TRUE number is to find that door sticker, load it up as ready to go and roll over a scale. Subtract the scaled number from the truck GVW on the mfg. label on the door pillar. The resultant number is the REAL number of remaining payload.
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2012 Laredo 303 TG
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12-22-2020, 07:55 AM
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Hmmm...no follow-up by OP after a month? He's been active in the forum but not this thread...
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12-23-2020, 11:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flybouy
Same old issue that's been discussed hundreds of times. "Advertised" payload vs real payload. Most advertised truck payload numbers are rare to find and certainly not what the truck in question is rated at. If you read the fine print disclaimers on the "ads" it will read something like "properly equipped" and "check your truck's capacity" etc.
I have an F150 King Ranch and the payload is pretty wimpy. The F250 in my signature is a low end super cab (small rear doors and smaller bench seat in back). The diesel adds about 800 lbs. and my truck came with a "snow plow pkg.) which means an extra leaf in the rear and heavier front coil springs. It also means an extra hard ride but I bought it used, at a great price and it gets the job done.
The "advertised" trucks are typically base model single cab trucks with no options. Every option added is thus SUBTRACTED from the truck's load carting capacity. So, in the case of our F150 KR start tabulating all the weight of all those nice things. Leather everything, lots of speakers and amplifiers, lots of plumbing for zone control and rear ac/heat, heated and cooled seats, front and rear consoles, electric motorized rear cab window, a bunch of motors in the seats, more sound insulation, and on and on.
It's a very simple formula really. The more the mfg. puts in the truck (options) the more the truck will weigh and thus the less it can carry. Anything the dealer or the owner adds to the truck like a bed liner, tonneau cover, tool box, tools, brush bar, step bars, floor liners, stuff in the glove box and change in the cup holder also REDUCE the load carting capacity by the weight of the additions.
It's easy to see how a high trim level, optioned out, crew cab diesel 3/4 ton can end up with less payload capacity than a bare bones single cab 2 wheel drive gasser 1/2 ton. Despite what some may want to argue the only way to get to the TRUE number is to find that door sticker, load it up as ready to go and roll over a scale. Subtract the scaled number from the truck GVW on the mfg. label on the door pillar. The resultant number is the REAL number of remaining payload.
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See there you go. Your last paragraph is almost the perfect truck weight sticky.
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12-23-2020, 02:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Javi
My '12 F250 Crew Cab, long bed XLT with diesel 6.7 had a payload of 2620
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Power window motors weigh 125 lbs each and the automatic door lock actuators are another 75 lbs each. Add the weight of all that pleather and carpet and what would have been a 5000 payload becomes a 2620 payload. Next time buy the XL model and why anyone in Texas who doesn't go offroad needs the 4x4 has always been a mystery to me. If my back wheels spin, I get out and stand on the rear bumper and have my wife just drive the truck away as she watches me on my tail from the rear view mirror.
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2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
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12-23-2020, 02:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Camping family
Okay have I done this correct?
Camper gvrw 10400
2392 23 percent plus 500=2,800 pin weight
Tk payload 3890 - 2800=1090 extra
Used the below
With YOUR 5th wheel use the GVWR from the manufacturer tag on the drivers side front corner of the RV & calculate 23% of that for a good average pin weight of your rv. To that pin weight add 100-125lbs for the weight of the hitch plus the weight of everyone/everything in/on your truck that did not come from the factory & subtract those weights from the posted payload of your truck.
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Camping family, the payload you mention? Here is the placard in the driver door frame that has the ACTUAL payload for your truck:
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2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
2006 GL1800 Roadsmith Trike
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12-23-2020, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wiredgeorge
Power window motors weigh 125 lbs each and the automatic door lock actuators are another 75 lbs each. Add the weight of all that pleather and carpet and what would have been a 5000 payload becomes a 2620 payload. Next time buy the XL model and why anyone in Texas who doesn't go offroad needs the 4x4 has always been a mystery to me. If my back wheels spin, I get out and stand on the rear bumper and have my wife just drive the truck away as she watches me on my tail from the rear view mirror.
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Weren't no 4X4 & vinyl all day, it did have power windows and door locks.
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12-23-2020, 03:01 PM
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George - I have mental visions of a guy like you standing on the rear bumper... I think I need a Goody's now...
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12-23-2020, 05:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Javi
My '12 F250 Crew Cab, long bed XLT with diesel 6.7 had a payload of 2620
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Well I made an ASSumption, that the F250 King Ranch was a diesel.
If it turns out that it is a diesel I stand with about 2,600ish payload. If it turns out that it is a gas engine payload could be close to 3,600ish.
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2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW 14,000# GVWR (New TV)
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS 32’ GVWR 12,360
Visit and enjoy Oregon State Parks
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12-24-2020, 04:27 AM
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I’m just into the F250 world and learning things every day. It a very nice world at that. Brand new, less than 1700 on the odometer and I learned yesterday that it can also swerve and brake HARD rather nicely when a jerk in a Mazda Miata who decides they need to suddenly turn left in front of me and goes 3 lanes over without looking. That guy was so lucky I pay a lot of attention to others. It would have likely been his last day had I not. Thank you again Ford engineers.
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12-28-2020, 09:05 AM
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The 2017 F250 XLT Supercab 4x4 diesel that I owned had a 2,228 lb payload. That was the major reason I traded for a F350 Dually.
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12-28-2020, 10:52 AM
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Must be big windows to need a 125 lb. motor.
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