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Old 06-03-2018, 10:21 AM   #21
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It will be interesting to see how the Never Fail bushings fair.
I know that the manufacturer says not to grease them. I believe that it has something to do with the grease breaking down the polyamide.
I have about 20,000 miles on my factory installed wet bolts and will be replacing them in the next week or so. Looking forward to seeing what the wear is.
Just thinking, most of our tow vehicles have leaf springs and I never hear anything about replacing or lubricating them. Wazup?
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Old 06-03-2018, 10:40 AM   #22
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40 feet worth of fulcrum and sway versus half that on a pickup frame with much better shackle mounts
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Old 06-03-2018, 11:32 AM   #23
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Wow. I guess I better go check ours. We have cre3000 under our fuzion 369
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Old 06-03-2018, 02:08 PM   #24
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It will be interesting to see how the Never Fail bushings fair.
I know that the manufacturer says not to grease them. I believe that it has something to do with the grease breaking down the polyamide.

I may never know how good/not so good they will be unless I have reason to disassemble the shackles again.

etrailer has put the myth out about grease infiltrating the polyamide bushings but when I emailed Lippert, in their response they were more concerned about dirt being forced in the grease 'drool'. I may have that email on hard copy but it's not available at this time. Additionally, SKF who manufacture many of these polyamide bushings also note that lubing them will prolong life.

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- that CRE3000 should be just fine but MORryde does have a user's manual on line which will tell you if they are starting to weaken or crack. One of mine was assembled incorrectly from the factory, but corrected at ~4000 miles though still mostly worked OK
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Old 06-03-2018, 05:14 PM   #25
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Although the CRE3000 equalizers wear out just like other suspension components, the thin shackles with plastic bushings are installed by the RV manufacturer, not by MorRyde. I probably put 15K on the original CRE3000 with crap shackles before replacing with EZ Flex and HD shackles/wet bolts. The EZ Flex lowered my fiver and allowed the tires to hit the underside so I stopped in at MorRyde, by appointment, and had the EZ Flex replaced with CRE3000. I probably have close to 20K with that combo. If I head that way again, I may have heavier springs installed with the SRE4000 and new shackles.
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Old 06-04-2018, 04:12 AM   #26
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I may never know how good/not so good they will be unless I have reason to disassemble the shackles again.

etrailer has put the myth out about grease infiltrating the polyamide bushings but when I emailed Lippert, in their response they were more concerned about dirt being forced in the grease 'drool'. I may have that email on hard copy but it's not available at this time. Additionally, SKF who manufacture many of these polyamide bushings also note that lubing them will prolong life.

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- that CRE3000 should be just fine but MORryde does have a user's manual on line which will tell you if they are starting to weaken or crack. One of mine was assembled incorrectly from the factory, but corrected at ~4000 miles though still mostly worked OK
Thanks for the info on the Never Fail bushings. If I had known that I may have gone with them instead of the Wet bolts.
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Old 06-04-2018, 05:19 AM   #27
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I will check out the manual. Thank you
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:00 AM   #28
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Just removed the shackles on one side and the factory installed wet bolts. The bushings were plastic and completely worn out. I have greased them twice. The first time was the week I brought the trailer home.
If you are approaching 15K miles I would plan to replace your bushings ASAP.
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Old 06-04-2018, 10:41 AM   #29
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Ok I will check mileage when I go out to truck lathers in a bit. I think it will show without trailer hooked up.
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Old 06-04-2018, 10:47 AM   #30
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I think it will show without trailer hooked up.
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Wont show if it's in the '11-'15 Ford lineup - needs to be hooked up (that is unless the IT nerds changed it somewhere along the line and didn't tell me)
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Old 06-04-2018, 11:01 AM   #31
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I wouldn't wait 15k miles, my plastic bushings were toast at 5000, at which time I installed the MorRyde heavy shackles/wet bolt kit with all bronze bushings, now have close to 60k miles & no problems.
In my opinion on these heavy 5ers I prefer the bronze bushings with some grease over the Never Fail, to me they are plastic bushings, maybe tougher, but plastic & no grease recommended.
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Old 06-04-2018, 01:02 PM   #32
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It’s a 12’ will check shortly
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Old 06-06-2018, 02:26 PM   #33
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Got one side finished today. Install went pretty smoothly. I did check the bolts that hold the calipers on my disc brakes and one bolt was missing. The others were loose. I torqued them to 40 ft pounds when I installed them so it's something else to check on preflight.
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Old 06-06-2018, 02:28 PM   #34
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Well then I will check mileage when I hook it up Friday as I can’t see it until plugged in. I think we are only about 2500 miles or so
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