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Old 04-14-2015, 06:09 AM   #21
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.....Hitch weight - 3280..... dry weight - 14506
The weights you're quoting are different than those on the Dutchmen website & brochures.....

Average Shipping Weight (lbs.) 15,104

Dry Hitch Weight (lbs.) 3,434

Cargo Capacity (lbs.) 3,396

Length 43' 10"

http://www.dutchmen.com/voltage/floo.../?modelId=6753

http://www.dutchmen.com/media/7895/d...series-web.pdf
http://www.dutchmen.com/media/7894/d...oltage-web.pdf

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Old 04-14-2015, 07:49 AM   #22
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As you have found there is lots of good info here and I'm a noob so don't have much to add. Just thought I would point one thing out. There is a difference between being "Heavy" and being "Overweight". To me being Heavy means you are over the ideal 80% tow weight but are under the all the max trailer, payload, axle, etc. weights.
If you are over one or more of the vehicle limits then you are Overweight and then this becomes more of a legal issue than a comfort issue.
So you might be comfortable towing a short distance being a little Heavy, but I wouldn't tow at all Overweight.

You are on the right path by first crunching all the numbers and finding out exactly where you are. While this can be a painful process if you are going to tow a large campers you have to know how to do this. Because if you get in an accident you can be sure that someone else sure is going to.

Good Luck!
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Old 04-14-2015, 09:27 AM   #23
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I would consider that a heavy haul for my dodge dually with 6000pds available cargo and 19000pd towing.

Can't say what I would do if I were you. I can state that my personal comfort level would be exceeded with my truck.
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Old 04-15-2015, 05:53 PM   #24
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Thanks guys! ITs still i the cards but we started to expand our search a little more. Headed over to MD fri to look at a few different one.
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Old 04-25-2015, 07:53 PM   #25
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Im sorry, what I meant by "look pretty good" was on the financial side.. And there is no argument from me about those mods increasing my capacity.. Its mainly for vehicle control which I believe is very important but I do agree on your other point about increasing... But you also said dry weight wasnt all that crucial??
Because nobody tows their trailer empty . . .

Chances are, that the trailer as it sits at the dealer, weighs more than that "dry weight."
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Old 05-03-2015, 02:09 AM   #26
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Well the dutchman didnt pan out but we did take delivery of a cyclone 4200.... Hitting the scales monday and a new truck soon
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:21 AM   #27
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Come on out to CA. That F350 would be overkill out here. There are plenty of people towing all the big toy haulers with their lifted F250's and 2500's
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:47 AM   #28
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Well the dutchman didnt pan out but we did take delivery of a cyclone 4200.... Hitting the scales monday and a new truck soon
That camper looks out of this world! Love the thought they put into it like the slide out TV in the bedroom, large windows and side patio! Congrats!
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Old 05-04-2015, 03:44 PM   #29
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Thanks!! Its an awesome floor plan with the side portch and everything we would ever NOT need in a camper. lol My 6yr daughter just informed me on how the couch recliners were electric and push a button and they recline. Anyway now the weight news.. I went to the scales today to see were I actually stood and I has about a 3rd fully loaded(no golf cart and other camping crap) but the fridge was full, cabinets and full of clothes. The tanks were dry but the tuck had a full tank. Can I figure my actual pin weight with these figures?

steer axle -4680
drive axle - 7100
trailer - 14240
total - 26020
truck only - 7920
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Can I figure my actual pin weight with these figures?

steer axle -4680
drive axle - 7100
trailer - 14240
total - 26020
truck only - 7920
Yes you can.
Steer axle + drive axle = loaded truck weight
loaded truck weight - truck only = Pin Weight

4680 + 7100 = 11780 - 7920 = 3860 (pin weight)

I see that once you weighed your truck, it's significantly heavier than the spec sheet's weight of 6586. With the pin weight of 3860, you're about 400 pounds over your truck GVWR. Did you include cargo, passengers and anything "extra" you'll be carrying in the truck when you tow? If you didn't, then that will put you even further over your GVWR.

Good Luck with the new house and eventually with towing your new fifth wheel.
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Old 05-04-2015, 05:04 PM   #31
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Yes you can.
Steer axle + drive axle = loaded truck weight
loaded truck weight - truck only = Pin Weight

4680 + 7100 = 11780 - 7920 = 3860 (pin weight)

I see that once you weighed your truck, it's significantly heavier than the spec sheet's weight of 6586. With the pin weight of 3860, you're about 400 pounds over your truck GVWR. Did you include cargo, passengers and anything "extra" you'll be carrying in the truck when you tow? If you didn't, then that will put you even further over your GVWR.

Good Luck with the new house and eventually with towing your new fifth wheel.

Yes she was about a 1/3rd fully loaded.. The golf cart is an extra 1k right off the bat plus another 4-500pounds of cargo Im guessing.. Thanks! Shes parked right now and set up as were staying in it till the house is done.So, a dually it is...
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Old 05-10-2015, 10:37 PM   #32
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You will love a dually.

One thing that I never see anyone talk about on this forum, and something I never put much thought into before is the wheels on the truck. Recently I was at Discount Tire getting tires rotated when I guy came in with a 2500 and was getting new wheels. He already had aftermarket wheels so I was surprised he was replacing them. After a bit of discussion I found out why, he cracked one of them with a heavy load he was towing. I don't know how heavy or how far he towed it, but he obviously exceeded the weight rating on his wheels. There are so many things that come into play when determining what is a safe GVWR. Wheel manufacturers also build wheels to spec based on what trucks are supposed to weigh. It's never a safe situation to exceed weights.

As for the crossed drilled rotors, I thought the purpose was for heat dissipation? Hot brakes fade, so they drill the holes to help them cool. Most people never feel the effect of that because brakes just don't get hot enough in normal driving for it to ever make a difference.....making them a waste of money. 4 or 6 piston calipers will make a difference because they provide more consistent pressure over the entire pad surface than 1 or 2 piston calipers which put pressure on the center and allow the pad to flex reducing pressure on the outer edges of the pad.
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Old 05-11-2015, 05:59 AM   #33
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I commented on that issue in post #19 in this thread, "That is IF you have the correct tires on the truck and nobody has "changed out wheels, shocks, brakes, bearings. All of those components (along with many others) make up the GVWR. Any subs for lighter duty components changes the 11,400. How much? Who knows, But bottom line, ..."

You're right stating that wheels (and other components) that someone installs to "upgrade their truck" can easily become the "weak link" and cause significant problems with heavy loading. After market wheels or even off road, oversized tires might "look good" or make the truck "sit better", but if they aren't rated for the GVW, they can easily become the "weakest link" and be the cause of a towing failure.

Just because it fits doesn't mean it will work. When buying a used vehicle, it becomes even more of a consideration because "heaven only knows" what the previous owner did (or didn't do) that won't show up until the "weakest link" is stressed to the breaking point. "Due diligence" is warranted when shopping for a used truck, and that should include making sure which components have been "upgraded" to a "weaker standard".....
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Old 05-11-2015, 09:29 AM   #34
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Similar to what those of us in inherently dangerous refinery/petrochemical manufacturing get pounded into our brains: MANAGEMENT OF CHANGE.
You wouldn't believe what it takes to change anything.
I have a laminated MOC form that was given to me at my retirement hanging on my garage wall.
I'm not complaining. Stopped all the changes that were never thought out or documented.
Translates well in personal life: what are all the consequences of what I am wanting to do.
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Old 05-11-2015, 05:01 PM   #35
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The wheels that this guy had were a heavy aftermarket wheel. Actually a very popular wheel that meets OE specs. He just plain and simple overloaded it. That would mean he also overloaded the axle and the springs as well. Probably lucky the wheel is all he broke. It is definitely a safety factor that should be taken into consideration when weighing the odds/risks of loading heavy. In the AF we call it risk management. Make sure you understand the risk and consequences of everything you do.
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:04 AM   #36
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Congrats on the new rig. That thing is a monster for sure. Wise choice on a new dually
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