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Old 11-27-2012, 05:54 PM   #21
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The gas pumps is an issue I have not had to deal with but one time. It worked great that time. So far my trips have been close enough without having to fill up with the fiver. To prevent this I have been packing a few 5 gallons jugs of gas and add them to my tank at rest stops.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:29 PM   #22
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Sometimes, finding a fuel stop with "isolated" diesel pumps is hard to find and when you have to stop to refuel, it is necessary to maneuver your way to a diesel pump at a regular service station. There may not be a convenient truck/diesel fuel stop that is close by so you are left with no choice other than the usual, crowded service station. In this case it doesn't really matter if you have a diesel or gas engine since getting close to a pump is really tough.

In many cases at least in our area in BC, diesel pumps are not clearly identified or easily seen unless you are close to them. Some diesel brands have green as their pump color, some are black, while others are yellow. Finding a diesel pump and getting close enough to fuel up is a real challenge - moreso than a regular gas pump.

In these types of service stations, getting into and out of them with an RV is a real challenge no matter what your TV is - gas or diesel.
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:38 PM   #23
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I have 110 gallon transfer in the dodge and 75 in the GMC of the station is hard to get too or not in site I have reserve. Works well and no worries about getting in and out.

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Old 11-27-2012, 07:16 PM   #24
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I tow a 38' fiver behind a longbed pickup. I do not do 'gas stations'... I either find a station with truck or RV pumps or keep driving.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:53 AM   #25
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Having a larger gas tank is a must for me. The Tundra only has a 26 gallon tank. When I pack a few cans with me this will get me as far as I want to drive a day anyway. This breaks down to about 250+ miles and 5 to 6 hours of driving.

Also looking at the Dodge Ram truck caps. The gas engine has a max payload cap of 2923 where the diesel model is 2247. That is a difference of 678 pounds - is this correct?
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:33 AM   #26
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Old 11-28-2012, 05:05 AM   #27
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Talking My Two Cents Worth

Payload capacities are computer generated. As far as fuel or gas, all I can say is "Transferflow" Chico Calif.
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:32 AM   #28
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You might also want to read up on new towing reg SAE J-2807.

It is supposed to take effect in 2013 and will introduce a lot of changes to various manufactures published tow and payload ratings.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:18 AM   #29
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OK, we had almost the exact 5er you're talking about, a Montana 2955RL, two slides (Living/Dining and Bedroom) was 34 feet. Dry weight just over 10K, but loaded for long term travel we were close to 14K. Now the brochure/dry pin weight was just under 2K, but our real world pin turned into 2900 Lbs. Could work for a 3/4 ton if you didn't put anything else in the bed and almost no passengers. Yes you will see many, many 3/4 tons pulling much bigger units, but probably most are over at least one if not more of the TVs ratings.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:58 PM   #30
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I figured I would use a base weight of 550 pounds of people, gas, hitch, etc. to subtract from the truck posted payload. Below is the breakdown.

Wife -142 (included in payload)
Me- 185
35 gallons of gas - 210
Hitch - 100
Etc. - 55
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:02 PM   #31
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Sometimes, finding a fuel stop with "isolated" diesel pumps is hard to find and when you have to stop to refuel, it is necessary to maneuver your way to a diesel pump at a regular service station. There may not be a convenient truck/diesel fuel stop that is close by so you are left with no choice other than the usual, crowded service station. In this case it doesn't really matter if you have a diesel or gas engine since getting close to a pump is really tough.

In many cases at least in our area in BC, diesel pumps are not clearly identified or easily seen unless you are close to them. Some diesel brands have green as their pump color, some are black, while others are yellow. Finding a diesel pump and getting close enough to fuel up is a real challenge - moreso than a regular gas pump.

In these types of service stations, getting into and out of them with an RV is a real challenge no matter what your TV is - gas or diesel.
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I use the Next Exit and The RVER'S Friend to find my diesel fuel stops. I also mainly fill up at the major truck plaza in the Semi-Truck islands. The RAM fuel tank filler neck will accept the larger truck filler nozzle on the fuel hose. The only problem is you must what the filling process sometimes the nozzle will not shut off fast enough, so I shut it off as the tank is getting close to full. You must also go in first and pre-pay with a charge card before fueling. I also will fill-up when the tank is at the ¼ tank mark on the fuel gauge. Since I know that there is approximately 8 gallons left in the tank and there is roughly 100 miles to go before I am out of fuel.
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:29 PM   #32
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I figured I would use a base weight of 600 pounds of people, gas, hitch, etc. to subtract from the truck posted payload. Below is the breakdown.

Wife -142 (included in payload)
Me- 185
35 gallons of gas - 210
Hitch - 100
Etc. - 105
This is my opinion and my opinion only.
First my back ground; I am a retired structural and hydraulic engineer from a major large equipment manufacture. So with that grain of salt I do not figure payload capacity when deciding on what trailer I can tow. I use the GCVW, GAWR Front, GAWR Rear and max towing weight only for my towing needs, to me payload is for cargo that is in the bed when not towing. In using the Ram Body Builders Guide for my vehicle which lists the GCVW as 20,000lbs, GAWR Front as 5,200LBS, GAWR Rear as 6,010 and the trailer weight as 12,450LBS this is what I maintain to tow with and will not exceed these limits.
I scaled my 318SAB with my 2008 Ram Mega CAB attached on a “Cat Certified Scale” the Front axle weight was 4,940 LBS, the Rear axle was 5,160 LBS, Trailer weight was 8,140 LBS and the GCVW was 18,240 LBS. This was with my wife and me, a full load of fuel (34gallons), two weeks of food and clothing ready for one of our trips. As you can see I am will within the safe limits per Ram towing guide.

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Old 11-28-2012, 04:27 PM   #34
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On 3/4 ton versus 1 ton payload ratings: my 35' fiver weighs 12k loaded with loaded pin rate at around 2,400 lbs. Hitched to my previous 2008 3/4 ton Silverado with family and hitch,I exceeded the posted gvwr of the truck by 200lbs and was at the gcwr (18k lbs). I was not comfortable with this as my family's safety comes first. I upgraded to my current 1 ton srw silverado and am now well within the trucks payload ratings. This truck handles much better when towing, and I feel good that I am not pushing the limits.
Note that I have a gasser and am completely satisfied with it for the 2000 or so miles/yr I tow my fiver. The 2011+ gm hd's have 36 gallon fuel tanks.
The cost difference between 3/4 and 1 ton srw is around $800, the benefits of the 1 ton in my case are priceless.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:31 AM   #35
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At that cost difference I would probably look at a 1 ton also. Whenever this takes place I hope to find a good/low mileage/well maintained used one being it will be used mainly for towing.
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:43 PM   #36
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We had a 3/4 gasser. Upgraded to a 3500 Silverado 6.6l diesel. Get 20mpg on the road and 11 to 13 towing our 5er.

I will never own a gas truck again. The torque on the diesel along with the exhaust brake is incredible. Down mountain passes and never hit the brakes.

You need to kelp safety in mind. You may get that 10k trailer moving, but can you stop in time? Not to mention the wear and tear on a gassers tranny.

Do yourself a huge favor and go diesel in a 1 ton. You won't be sorry.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:33 PM   #37
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Do all 3/4 ton trucks have the tow package included already?
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:41 PM   #38
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Do all 3/4 ton trucks have the tow package included already?
I believe all 3/4 and 1 ton trucks are all the same and have the same options. The main difference would be the motor/trans.... Everything else should be the same and available on either gas or diesel.
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Do all 3/4 ton trucks have the tow package included already?
If you buy the HD version of the truck and not a used fleet vehicle, then the towing package would be an option or standard depending on the manufacture.
My 08 2500HD Ram truck with the 6.7L Cummins is identical to a single wheel 3500HD with the Cummins engine in it except for one helper spring in the leaf spring pack and the Badges that say 3500HD. The truck has the same cooling and transmission with the towing package as standard on the HD’s. With a carrying capacity of a GCVW of 21,000 lbs (3500HD) versus a carrying capacity of GCVW 20,000 lbs (2500HD) and with more expensive license plate cost in IL each year. Thats why I went with a 3/4 ton vehicle for my needs.
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:53 AM   #40
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The main reason I asked is while searching through Autotrader.com it is not specified on the trucks that they have the towing package or not.
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