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Old 02-13-2020, 04:28 AM   #21
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Sometimes it can be "location location". 2 years ago the Jeep Wrangler toad was soon to be needing tires. Based on wear I figured I could get a few more thousand miles on them. But we were out west, Oregon, and there were Discount Tires around. I called one in Salem requesting a specific tire model and they could get it. That model was the OEM on the Jeep and with 75K at that point ( and 15-20K being towed), they rode great, smooth and quiet, for a Jeep. Discount Tire has better pricing in my opinion and Oregon has no sales tax. So we diverted to Salem for a few days of tire buying and cheese factory touring.
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Old 02-13-2020, 06:13 AM   #22
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................... I would like some input from you guys and gals on what you have on your tow vehicles. I'm looking for a quieter tire that can stand up under 5th wheel towing..........
My 2016 F350 DRW that tows a 2020 Montana 3780RL fifth wheel trailer has:

General Tire Radial Grabber all season HTS LT245/75R-17 E, load index = 121/118, speed index = S (112 mph), ply rating = E4 (10 ply), 3195 lb load rating, 65,000 mile manufacturer mileage warranty. Front and rear tire pressure is 65 and 80 psig, respectively. They are very quiet and smooth riding and they cost $175 each.
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Old 02-13-2020, 08:16 AM   #23
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Unless you are off roading, why would you ever want an A/T tire. Loud, knocks fuel mileage down and are always too expensive for that one in a thousand mile need. I've had Michelins (currently) Continentals, Goodyears (never again), Kumho, Yokohama, General Grabbers, Firestones (ho hummers) and a few others in all season and A/T treads since `1977. The current Michelin Defenders so far are the best of the lot with the Generals not too far behind (though if you factor price, maybe even better)
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Old 02-13-2020, 08:57 AM   #24
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Thanks for all of the input guys. I did some more research and the Sailun tires are looking more attractive all the time! Although I have run more Michelines than anything else, the price point of the Sailuns is hard to argue with. Especially when everybody is comparing them to the Michelins! 😉
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Old 02-13-2020, 12:57 PM   #25
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I am on my 2nd set of Michelin tires. The first set were actually aged out. Great wear out of them.
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Old 02-20-2020, 09:19 AM   #26
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After 3 sets of Michelin on my last F350 I was going to Sailun. Traded for a dually with Michelin instead. Will go with Sailun when these 7 need replaced.
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Old 02-20-2020, 09:58 AM   #27
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On my F250, I ran Michelin AT2 LT275-65 R20 (126Q) 34.4-inch tires, which do 606 revolutions per mile... They lasted past the 60,000 mile warranty, at over 65,000 miles, and I ran on them everyday, over a hundred twenty miles per day. They were quiet, they were stable, and they pulled great. What they didn't do was handled mud very well.

When I replaced my F250, they had put Federal tires on my F350. They had replaced one of those Federals with a Cooper. None of those tires were rated for an F-350. So, I immediately replaced all four tires and the spare with Nitto LT295-65 R20 (129Q) 35.47-inch Trail Grapplers. They're not only fairly quiet, they are also 35.47 inch tires, instead of 34.4-inch tires.

Someone else mentioned a huge difference between 34-point something and 35.2 in. Remember, that's diameter, not radius. It's like less than hitting a bump. What you should really be paying attention to is how many times that tire revolves in a mile.

Well the AT2's did 606 revolutions per mile, Nittos only do 586 revolutions per mile, and carry 4080 pounds per tire. The difference in fuel mileage is negligible.

You might ask why I chose Trail Grapplers instead of the street tires. There were two reasons:

1 - We live in a muddy area which requires me to get in and out while pulling a trailer. The Michelins actually got me stuck.

2 - They actually have a higher weight rating than the Michelins. That's 4080 pounds per tire, instead of 3750 lb per tire

Just remember to look at the actual load rating for The Tire in pounds.
The Michelin LT 275 65 R20 126Q is good for 3750 pounds at 80 psi. The Nitto 295-65 R20 129Q is good for 4080 lb at 80 psi.

The "Q number", is actually a more accurate representation of the load capacity of the tire. The Nittos are at 129Q, the Michelins are at 126Q.

Furthermore, when you take a look at tires, always look at the number of Plies in the tread, and the number of Plies in the side walls. The design of the sidewall is equally or more important than the design of the tread. That side wall has to support that tire against collapse, and/or roll. It has to provide support to Bear the Weight of the Load, not only on the straightaway, but through the curves.

I think I said about enough. Happy hunting on your set of tires!!
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Old 02-20-2020, 09:59 AM   #28
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One consideration I didnít see addressed is the load rating of the tire. The 275/65R/20 Michelin tires that came on my 2917 F-250 are rated for 3750 lbs at 80 PSI. Iíve seen several of my friendís much lager tires similar to the OPís, that are rated for 600 lbs less.
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Old 02-20-2020, 10:13 AM   #29
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One consideration I didnít see addressed is the load rating of the tire. The 275/65R/20 Michelin tires that came on my 2917 F-250 are rated for 3750 lbs at 80 PSI. Iíve seen several of my friendís much lager tires similar to the OPís, that are rated for 600 lbs less.
That's the difference between real tires and toy tires.

Take a look at the Nitto Tires and Saluns, not the Mickey Thompsons and BFG's.

Check out my other comment.
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Old 02-20-2020, 11:25 AM   #30
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+1 ^^^ for CW and Jim's posts.

Michelin A/T's for me. Not the cheapest, but in my opinion the best! Quiet, long life, good foul weather traction. Check your pressures, and rotate regularly, and you should be good for 60,000 miles or more.

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Ditto my choice as well great tire
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Old 02-20-2020, 11:38 AM   #31
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Ditto my choice as well great tire
I fully agree. If you're never going to see mud, the AT2's are hard to beat.
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Old 02-20-2020, 03:21 PM   #32
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Although I have a 4x4, I have four Americus Commercial 18" LRE commercial tires. They have street only tread. They would NOT be my choice if I ever buy new tires. They spin balance but 3 of the 4 tires don't dynamic balance and there is a small vibration at about 45mph. They also have lousy wet weather traction but are fine on dry pavement. I would not think they were useful off road.

Reason for using these tires was because it had two Toyo off road type tires on when I purchased that were a bit long in the tooth and the ride was lousy. Had two new Americus so I bought another two. Would spend a bit more for name brand tires with street tread as I don't go off road.
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Old 02-21-2020, 10:28 AM   #33
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Been on Nitro DuraGrappler Highway Terrains on the dually. Rears are wearing more of course and even. Did 4 rears first and then 2 fronts. Have to check my mileage to report, but I'm happy with cost vs. performance. Ride as good as this pig can, wet traction is very good and goes well over some terrain nicely.
The Transforce Firestone a we had were horrible. Can't express that fact enough.
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:54 PM   #34
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My truck came with 35/12.5./20's Toyo mud tires. I ran them 30k until they were wore down, just because I couldn't justify getting rid of tires while they were still good. Wanted to go down a size for fit and for towing. Went with Pro Comp A/T Sports 295/60/20. Have about 12k on them and really pleased. Wearing well and quiet. Amazing warranty: 60k tread. Load range E rated at 3415 lbs per tire.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:27 PM   #35
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I fully agree. If you're never going to see mud, the AT2's are hard to beat.
Agree fully. The AT2's have been great on my truck for mileage, noise, wear. They have been good in the rain, fair in snow, and absolutely horrible in mud.
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Old 02-22-2020, 06:03 AM   #36
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Agree fully. The AT2's have been great on my truck for mileage, noise, wear. They have been good in the rain, fair in snow, and absolutely horrible in mud.
JMHO YMMV
I have never driven much in snow but can't imagine any long bed pickup is much fun to drive; even a 4WD. My old 350 doesn't like rain slick much at all either with the tires I have and I am pretty sure it is not just the tires but the lack of weight on the rear end of the truck.
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I have never driven much in snow but can't imagine any long bed pickup is much fun to drive; even a 4WD. My old 350 doesn't like rain slick much at all either with the tires I have and I am pretty sure it is not just the tires but the lack of weight on the rear end of the truck.
We don't get much snow here (this year none) but it's typically very wet/icy. Great for snowballs, lousey for clogging up the snowblower.

Truck has a cap on the bed, and in the winter (non tow season) I have enough tools in the back to help hold it down so it's not bad. Don't know what it is with those tires but in mud they just pack up the tread with mud and look like a slick on the back of a AA Gasser!
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