TV Yellow Sticker

[Rick]

Hi!
I have a 2001 F-250 7.3 diesel. The only "yellow sticker" I can find anywhere is this-


I also have this sticker-


Where can I get the info for the "yellow sticker"? VIN?

Thanks!

[sourdough]

Here are some generic numbers since I don't believe the "yellow" stickers with payload were being placed when your truck was built. After looking at these numbers they seem very suspect to me (low curb weight/high payload). The numbers transferred a little jumbled up and might be confusing. I am attaching a link to that page. You have to scroll way down to get to payload, curb weight etc. Again, I find the numbers suspect and figure they are just manufacturer "sales talk".

https://www.ford-trucks.com/specs/20...pecifications/



Payload and Trailer Towing Weights
Model Max.GAWR (lbs.) Front/Rear Max. GVWR (lbs.) Max. GCWR (lbs.) Max. Trailer Weight (Conventional) Max. TrailerWeight (5th Wheel) Max. Payload
F-250 4×2 4850/6084 8800 20,000 10,000 14,500 3740
F-250 4×4 5200/6084 8800 20,000 10,000 14,000 3200
F-350 4×2 (SRW) 4850/6830 9900 20,000 10,000 14,400 4715
F-350 4×4 (SRW) 5200/6830 9900 20,000 10,000 14,000 4310
F-350 4×2 (DRW) (gas) 4850/8250 11,200 20,000 10,000 14,100 5780
F-350 4×4 (DRW) (gas) 5200/8250 11,200 20,000 10,000 13,700 5285
F-350 4×2 (DRW) (diesel) 4850/8250 11,500 20,000 10,000 13,600 5395
F-350 4×4 (DRW) (diesel) 5200/8250 11,500 20,000 10,000 13,200 4900
Base Curb Weight

Base Curb Weights — Pickups
Series
Model WB (in.) Pickup Box Cab Style Front (lbs.) Rear (lbs.) Total (lbs.)
Super Duty F-250 4×2 137.0 Styleside Regular Cab 2864 2194 5058
141.8 Styleside SuperCab 2992 2232 5224
156.2 Styleside Crew Cab 3144 2428 5572
158.0 Styleside SuperCab 3096 2346 5442
172.4 Styleside Crew Cab 3250 2491 5741
4×4 137.0 Styleside Regular Cab 3336 2264 5600
141.8 Styleside SuperCab 3385 2277 5662
156.2 Styleside Crew Cab 3534 2482 6016
158.0 Styleside SuperCab 3498 2395 5893
172.4 Styleside Crew Cab 3633 2519 6152

[Rick]

Thanks Sourdough! This is the only entry I see that applies to my truck in the Payload and Trailer Towing Weights category-
Model - F-250 4×2
Max. GAWR (lbs.) Front/Rear - 4850/6084
Max. GVWR (lbs.) - 8800
Max. GCWR (lbs.) - 20,000
Max. Trailer Weight (Conventional) - 10,000
Max. TrailerWeight (5th Wheel) - 14,500
Max. Payload - 3740

[CWtheMan]

Originally Posted by Rick

Hi!
I have a 2001 F-250 7.3 diesel. The only "yellow sticker" I can find anywhere is this-


I also have this sticker-


Where can I get the info for the "yellow sticker"? VIN?

Thanks!

That's a federal vehicle certification label. It was valid the day it was delivered to the dealer. It cannot contain misinformation without risking an entire self imposed or NHTSA imposed model recall.

Everything/anything provided by the dealer or consumer that adds weight must be deducted from it's load carrying capacity.

The tire & load information "yellow sticker" was not approved until 2007.

[flybouy]

I would pay a visit to a CAT Scale. The 8800 lb GVWR on the door is the max number. Subtract the scale weight from the 8800 lbs for what's left in payload. Do the same with the front a rear axle weights and you have the "not to exceed number" on the axles as well.

[wiredgeorge]

Originally Posted by CWtheMan

That's a federal vehicle certification label. It was valid the day it was delivered to the dealer. It cannot contain misinformation without risking an entire self imposed or NHTSA imposed model recall.

Everything/anything provided by the dealer or consumer that adds weight must be deducted from it's load carrying capacity.

The tire & load information "yellow sticker" was not approved until 2007.

CW, My 2006 F350 has the same yellow sticker that you say wasn't approved until 2007. At least one make/model used the sticker prior the 2007 date.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by Rick

Thanks Sourdough! This is the only entry I see that applies to my truck in the Payload and Trailer Towing Weights category-
Model - F-250 4×2
Max. GAWR (lbs.) Front/Rear - 4850/6084
Max. GVWR (lbs.) - 8800
Max. GCWR (lbs.) - 20,000
Max. Trailer Weight (Conventional) - 10,000
Max. TrailerWeight (5th Wheel) - 14,500
Max. Payload - 3740

Do not be mislead by that payload figure, it is much too high. You don't say if you have 4x4, CC or what but 3740 is too high for any 3/4 with the diesel. In that same link is the chart that will give you a much better payload number. I will paste it below but if it comes out jumbled just open the link and start scrolling until you see the chart labeled like the one I'm going to paste; payload may be more like 2415...


Standard Weight Ratings For Models With 7.3L (444) V-8 Turbo Diesel
Engine — Pickup Models
Series/Pickup Model W.B. GVWR (lbs.) Maximum Payload (lbs.)(1) Spring/GAWR Selection (lbs.)(2)
Front Spring
(Min.-Max.)(3) Front GAWR
(Min.-Max.)(3) Rear Spring (Min.-Max.) Rear GAWR (Min.-Max.)
F-250 4×2 Regular Cab 137.0 ” 8800 2975 3950-4550 3800-4400 6084 6084
SuperCab 141.8 ” 8800 2950 3950-4550 3800-4400 6084 6084
SuperCab 158.0 ” 8800 2715 4250-4850 4100-4550 6084 6084
Crew Cab 156.2 ” 8800 2590 4250-4850 4100-4550 6084 6084
Crew Cab 172.4 ” 8800 2415 4550-4850 4400-4850 6084 608


2nd column of numbers (right after 8800) is the generic payload since they weren't placed on trucks at that time. If you've added any extra equipment; running boards, bed cover etc. that would come off the payload as well.

[chuckster57]

Originally Posted by wiredgeorge

CW, My 2006 F350 has the same yellow sticker that you say wasn't approved until 2007. At least one make/model used the sticker prior the 2007 date.

That might be a “mandated to comply” date. Some auto makers will start before. Like OBD II was mandated in 1996, and Ford was using it in 1994. Dodge was using C.A.N. At least 2 years before being mandated.

Not trying to start an argument....

[Brantlyj]

Check the glovebox. I talked to one lady with a 99chevy and that’s where her info was

[wiredgeorge]

Originally Posted by chuckster57

That might be a “mandated to comply” date. Some auto makers will start before. Like OBD II was mandated in 1996, and Ford was using it in 1994. Dodge was using C.A.N. At least 2 years before being mandated.

Not trying to start an argument....

Ford was kind of hit or miss on the OBD II. My 96 F250 used OBD-1 if memory serves and the thing was under the hood. You used an adapter cord to hook it to an OBD-2 scanner and the scanner wasn't very reliable at reading DTC codes... it has been awhile so this is all from my dim memory but I do still have the adapter cable somewhere.

[chuckster57]

Yeah OBD I was under the hood. In 1994 the first “powerstroke” had both the OBD I &II and it took a “flash” at the dealer to activate it. I’ve been working on autos “on the side” for over 40 years now, so my mind isn’t dim...yet. Last week just bought a scanner to do SRS systems, two months ago it was a scanner for TPMS.

I miss the old days of my stethoscope (still hanging on the wall).

[wiredgeorge]

Originally Posted by chuckster57

Yeah OBD I was under the hood. In 1994 the first “powerstroke” had both the OBD I &II and it took a “flash” at the dealer to activate it. I’ve been working on autos “on the side” for over 40 years now, so my mind isn’t dim...yet. Last week just bought a scanner to do SRS systems, two months ago it was a scanner for TPMS.

I miss the old days of my stethoscope (still hanging on the wall).

I rebuild/sell vintage Japanese motorcycle carburetors for a living (going on 15 years now) and used to work on vintage bikes a lot but these days don't really like to turn wrenches as it wears me out so stick to just carburetors. I spent about 3 hours Friday morning wrestling with putting a drive belt on my lawn tractor and that about wiped me out. there wasn't a single useful youtube video with a model close to mine. Next time it would be an hour job.

[chuckster57]

SUXS getting old I used to pull an engine in 2 hrs...2 days now!!

If I ever get to your town or you get to mine, it would be a pleasure to swap stories and share some adult beverages.

[Jshopes81]

Originally Posted by sourdough

Do not be mislead by that payload figure, it is much too high. You don't say if you have 4x4, CC or what but 3740 is too high for any 3/4 with the diesel. In that same link is the chart that will give you a much better payload number. I will paste it below but if it comes out jumbled just open the link and start scrolling until you see the chart labeled like the one I'm going to paste; payload may be more like

I believe the last number is the combined axle rating-empty truck weight, which would give you max legal payload on the truck. Going by gvwr on my dually gives a piddly 3100lbs or so which is just stupid, considering theres way more than that available for just the rear end. Rear weighs about 3000, rated for 8250. 5250lbs available for the rear by itself.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by Jshopes81

I believe the last number is the combined axle rating-empty truck weight, which would give you max legal payload on the truck. Going by gvwr on my dually gives a piddly 3100lbs or so which is just stupid, considering theres way more than that available for just the rear end. Rear weighs about 3000, rated for 8250. 5250lbs available for the rear by itself.

If that's the case I suppose you could just put some 17.5" wheels and tires on the rear end with a 10k max load each thus giving you 20k for the rear and forget that 8250 right?

[Jshopes81]

Originally Posted by sourdough

If that's the case I suppose you could just put some 17.5" wheels and tires on the rear end with a 10k max load each thus giving you 20k for the rear and forget that 8250 right?

Youre adding apples and bananas and getting oranges. Ford rates that axle in that chassis for 8250. In the c&c i think its 9900. Your weakest link is your lowest number.

[CWtheMan]

It's very doubtful that a TV can stay within it's ultimate limiter (GVWR) when loading axles to their limiters (GAWRs). Those axles have load capacity reserves.

When the loading information provided with the TV is exceeded, safety comes to mind.

[Jshopes81]

Originally Posted by CWtheMan

It's very doubtful that a TV can stay within it's ultimate limiter (GVWR) when loading axles to their limiters (GAWRs). Those axles have load capacity reserves.

When the loading information provided with the TV is exceeded, safety comes to mind.

Gvwr is not a legally enforeable number in most states. Its a registration and warranty number. Ive had my ram over on axles and under on gvwr. The dana 80 from dana spicer is something like a 12k axle, so yes, even at its rating, it has safety margin.

[Javi]

Originally Posted by Jshopes81

Gvwr is not a legally enforeable number in most states. Its a registration and warranty number. Ive had my ram over on axles and under on gvwr. The dana 80 from dana spicer is something like a 12k axle, so yes, even at its rating, it has safety margin.

In Texas you must axle, tire & be under GVWR and trust me... it's enforceable

[Jshopes81]

Originally Posted by Javi

In Texas you must axle, tire & be under GVWR and trust me... it's enforceable

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...dSqE2MUttIDLgO

Theres a whole section in there on weight. Give it a read, its from 2020