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Old 09-16-2020, 09:55 AM   #21
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Confusion about numbers you see on the television and sales brochures are because they come from the marketing departments; Ford and Ram are constantly trying to one-up each other by screaming "BEST IN CLASS TOWING" or "BEST IN CLASS PAYLOAD" and poor Chevy is left with "best in class cameras" (I actually saw that in a TV commercial yesterday). When any of the big 3 sell you a truck they have to tell the truth in the payload placard. For the most part, the ability to drag something down the road due to engine umph ain't the short pole in the tent; payload is.
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Old 09-16-2020, 05:20 PM   #22
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George, you crack me up!

To the moderators, we need to add "SPITT" to the list of forum definitions!
SPITT = Short Pole In The Tent
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Old 09-16-2020, 07:07 PM   #23
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George, you crack me up!

To the moderators, we need to add "SPITT" to the list of forum definitions!
SPITT = Short Pole In The Tent
Done... This is one we don't want to "lose"....
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Old Yesterday, 12:43 PM   #24
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Thank you John, Jim, Marshall, and others that replied.

So, I went to the scales today with just my truck, filled with diesel, a full tool box in the back, my 200 lbs self, and other miscellaneous crap that we all seem to accumulate. GVW on my truck is 10,000 lbs.

Here are the numbers:
FRONT AXLE - 4780
REAR AXLE - 3260
DW and GENERATOR WEIGHT - 200 POUNDS
TOTAL TRUCK WEIGHT - 8240


So that leaves me with 1760 pounds. Pin weight on 5er is 1430 pounds. If I am correct, that means I am cutting it close, but still a tad under the limits.
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Old Yesterday, 01:00 PM   #25
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If you travel light in the 5'ver, load a little more in the rear of the RV you should be alright. On the border, but alright. Most people will have the 5'ver loaded pretty heavy after a couple years and that pin weight is going to creep up to the 2000 mark. Appease us all and run over the scales again next trip out!
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You may be even closer than you think.

https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2015-keystone-hideout-fifth-wheel-floorplan-299rlds-tr21648

The spec'd dry pin weight is 1485.
GVWR on that trailer is 10,500 so an estimated pin weight of 1850 at GVWR

(The 1485 is 18.5% of the dry weight 8040 so it's a reasonable indicator of pin weight percentage, generally 20% of GVWR is used for estimating fifth wheel trailer pin weight.)

If you have weighed in the wet loaded pin weight at 1430 then some light weighting to the trailer has occurred and you're good. If not, it may be more than the published weight.
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You may be even closer than you think.

https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2015-keystone-hideout-fifth-wheel-floorplan-299rlds-tr21648

The spec'd dry pin weight is 1485.
GVWR on that trailer is 10,500 so an estimated pin weight of 1850 at GVWR

(The 1485 is 18.5% of the dry weight 8040 so it's a reasonable indicator of pin weight percentage, generally 20% of GVWR is used for estimating fifth wheel trailer pin weight.)

If you have weighed in the wet loaded pin weight at 1430 then some light weighting to the trailer has occurred and you're good. If not, it may be more than the published weight.
Was my first thought, 1430 might be the dry pin weight. If it's like my Cougar that'll turn into 2k pretty quick.
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Mine is around 1750 on my 10,220 GVWR trailer. +- 50 or so pounds either way depending on how I'm loaded for a particular trip.
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The 1485 is for the dry weight which it surpassed when they put a battery in it. If it is loaded minimally for camping I figure the pin will take up all of the available payload...at least.
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My Cougar XLite is "advertised at 1120 pin weight".. Actual "camping ready pin weight" (with two GC2 batteries, full fresh water (FW Tank is in the extreme rear of the trailer) and all camping equipment) is about 1800-1850... So, what KimNTerry posted about pin weight is pretty close for most any trailer weighing about 8000 pounds with a 2000 pound payload. Most 10K-11K trailers will have a pin weight range from 1750-2000 pounds when ready to tow.

Wallace, a question about the weights you posted for your truck. Did you have the hitch installed in the bed when you weighed??? If not, you can add roughly 100-125 for a stationary hitch or about 200 for a sliding hitch. The aluminum Andersen hitch is about 40 pounds... My point is, if you didn't have the hitch in the truck, that 1760 is really closer to 1500-1600.....
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