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Old 12-29-2019, 08:53 AM   #21
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All this info shows why you can't assume the actual load limits and tire inflation numbers for your truck can be based on what someone else has.
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Old 12-29-2019, 10:49 AM   #22
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I thought they had been for awhile now
They have been. My 2016 F350 had the 14k gvwr. Still the payload was 3447. My 2019 G350 dually has the same gvwr and payload of 5598.
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Old 12-29-2019, 11:53 AM   #23
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Wow! That’s 900 lbs more payload than my ‘18 F350 SRW CC SB 4x4 Lariat 6.7, GVWR 11,500 at 3,608.
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Old 12-29-2019, 12:50 PM   #24
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Our 2018 F350 DRW CC 4x4 has GVWR = 14,000 and cargo capacity = 5560
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Old 12-29-2019, 04:07 PM   #25
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The only reason a DRW truck can have a higher load capacity is because it has 4 tires in the rear. Say each tire has a load capacity of 3,500# X4 = 14,000 pf load capacity where a SRW truck only has 2 tires. 3,500 X 2 = 7,000# of load capacity. Some tires have a higher load than others. Mine is just a example.
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Old 12-30-2019, 03:06 AM   #26
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Cap'n, if this were true "They have been. My 2016 F350 had the 14k gvwr. Still the payload was 3447." then your 350 would have weighed 10,553. If your 350 was SRW then it would have been 11,000.
Something doesn't add up.
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:41 AM   #27
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Notanalins I'm 11500 GVWR easer to exceeded then the 3550 pay load or 7150 GAWR RR with my truck.
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:44 AM   #28
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I understand they went to 11,500 in later years.
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Old 12-31-2019, 09:21 AM   #29
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Pop in law just got his new KR today
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Old 12-31-2019, 02:30 PM   #30
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My understanding is that the F-450 has a thicker frame, a boxed frame, and the front end Dimensions between the two tires is wider. Furthermore, the F-450 turns tighter than the F350.
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Old 12-31-2019, 02:57 PM   #31
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I have a 2006 F350 SRW CC and my door sticker says 3890 lbs or something similar. Wonder what was done to the newer trucks to give them more payload? An additional spring? Different shocks? Just curious.
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Old 12-31-2019, 03:41 PM   #32
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I have a 2006 F350 SRW CC and my door sticker says 3890 lbs or something similar. Wonder what was done to the newer trucks to give them more payload? An additional spring? Different shocks? Just curious.
Marketing. Dodge did so Ford did. I really don’t think much is different other than saying a 2019 F350 is rated at 11,500 and a 2020 is rated at 12,400. They can put what they want in the door, within reason.

It seems to me that tires and the rear ends have always hand enough there. Better brakes, trans?
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Old 01-01-2020, 08:17 AM   #33
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I think the only people who really know how the new ratings came about are the "committee to beat the competition" composed of marketing and engineering reps at each of the manufacturers. My bet is that they won't be talking.....

It "struck me as a movement to increase and reorganize" much like we saw when Ford introduced the SuperDuty in 1999. Prior to that, GVW's for 3/4 ton trucks were in the 7200-7600 pound range and 1 tons were in the 86-8800 pound range. The 1999 SuperDuty 3/4 ton SuperDuty was rated at 8600 and the 1 ton went to 9900 (if I remember correctly)..

I wondered, when I saw the GM ratings for the 2500, if GM was reorganizing to eliminate the 3500 SRW truck line ???? We've all "postulated for years" about the 3/4 -- 1 ton trucks being the same except for the sticker.... I wonder if maybe GM is planning to eliminate one truck line and have a 2500 SRW with a 12,500 pound GVW and a 3500 DRW with a 14,000 GVW??? That could eliminate the argument, simplify licensing and registration in states where the old "optional GVW" could be ordered to "beat the system" and put an end to the argument, "My 3/4 ton is really a 1 ton with a different sticker".....
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Old 01-01-2020, 08:57 AM   #34
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To John's point,

I've been waiting for the mfg to eliminate the "blurry line" between the 3/4 & 1 ton PU lines and combine them into something that sells without penalties for going up a class in registration or insurance. I remember the "bid 3's horsepower wars of the 1960's. The insurance companies started penalizing buyers with high hp related rates. Detroit responded by "derating" the engines hp with a "wink and a nod" to the gear. heads.

Over the last couple of decades the industry has reduced the inventory by eliminating models (remember Pontiac, Mercury, Thunderbird,Dodge trucks, Plymouth, etc?) . Seems logical to me they would do this in the truck lines.
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Old 02-16-2020, 04:04 PM   #35
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Just walked by. 2020 F250 Tremor Shortbed. This is like 700-800 more payload than my 2017 F250 Short Bed
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Old 02-16-2020, 04:21 PM   #36
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Just walked by. 2020 F250 Tremor Shortbed. This is like 700-800 more payload than my 2017 F250 Short Bed

Here's a link to an article I just pulled up. Seems it says the Tremor has less payload than "regularly equipped" trucks without the package and that would make sense; 35's, extra suspension etc. comes at a price. I'm assuming that sticker was from a gas engine truck?

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...-road-package/
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Old 02-16-2020, 04:40 PM   #37
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Here's a link to an article I just pulled up. Seems it says the Tremor has less payload than "regularly equipped" trucks without the package and that would make sense; 35's, extra suspension etc. comes at a price. I'm assuming that sticker was from a gas engine truck?

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...-road-package/
Yes, on the F350 SRW you can’t get the 11400 GVWR if you get the tremor package (its only available on shortbeds)

And it is a diesel, not gas

https://shop.ford.com/inventory/supe...p&Dealer=20346
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They have been. My 2016 F350 had the 14k gvwr. Still the payload was 3447. My 2019 G350 dually has the same gvwr and payload of 5598.
CaptJohn, if your F350 is SRW it isn’t 14,000# GVWR. Your payload sounds like a SRW with 11,500# GVWR.
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Old 02-17-2020, 06:37 AM   #39
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Ford upped all the towing numbers from 16 MY and beyond. The new trucks have 1,000 FT LB's torque and 800 HP LOL
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Ford upped all the towing numbers from 16 MY and beyond. The new trucks have 1,000 FT LB's torque and 800 HP LOL
And 2020 has the 10 speed. Helps to mange the weight
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