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11-04-2020, 05:44 AM
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Brand new rig, trash the tires?
My new 2021 Keystone Cougar Half-Ton 32BHS came with Trailer King RST ST225/75R15E tires.
All the talk on the interwebs about China bombs has me concerned that I should trash these tires right out of the gate.
After looking closely at how the Cougar is built around the tires, a blowout would likely cause much damage and be very expensive to repair.
I think I read somewhere that the TK RST's are a fairly new model and with little history on them as far as reported failures?
So I am considering the Goodyear Endurance ST225/75R15E tire as a replacement as this seems to be the only American made choice in that size with an E load rating.
Should I or should I not? If I do am I making a good move with my choice of replacement tire?
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2021 Keystone Cougar Half-Ton 32BHS 5th Wheel
2022 F-450SD, Lariat Ultimate, CC, 4WD, FX4, Rapid Red, Curt A16/R24 Slider
Upgraded: 2020 F-250SD, XLT Pre, CC, SWB, 4WD, FX4, HCTP, 6.7 PSD, 3.55 e-lock, Blue Jeans Metallic
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11-04-2020, 05:47 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Port Charlotte
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yes. Get those China Bombs off there,
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2011 Keystone Sprinter 323BHS. Retired Master Electrician. All Motor Homes are RV's. All RV's are not Motor Homes.
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11-04-2020, 06:02 AM
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Join Date: May 2018
Location: Markham, Ontario
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Yes, get rid of them.
I have personally never been a fan of Goodyear tires for any vehicle. They have to be better than the TK's.
I put Carlisle on the TT not an issue in 2 seasons I used them.
I now have them on the 5er but only used it once.
Good luck
P.S. With any tire you decide to purchase, just check them often. Even if you decide to use a TPMS system, nothing beats checking temps at fuel / rest stops. Check before take off, including the inner wall. It all comes down to your comfort level. An air compressor, that suits the needs of your tire, is always a good thing whether its in the garage or an on board system.
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Dan & Serena
2019 GMC SIERRA 2500 HD SLE
2015 Cougar X-Lite 29 RET
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11-04-2020, 06:15 AM
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Location: Mico, TX
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Just about every tire seller out there had Carlisle LRE 15"
Carlisle https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tir...adial-trail-hd
I bought mine via eBay as the price was better and had them mounted by my local tire shop in Castroville.
eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Carlisle-Ra...AAAOSw7HlfkvET
The tires I received were only a couple months past production week but you do run the risk of getting production dates that might be a bit in the past. If you buy them from a local seller you can ensure the production dates on the tires are pretty current. Lots of folks like the Goodyear offering but I have been around long enough to remember the Goodyear Marathon fiasco. Question was, would I replace? After seeing so many horror stories regarding the TKs, probably. Is there RST offering any better than previous offerings? Who know?
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2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
2006 GL1800 Roadsmith Trike
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11-04-2020, 06:27 AM
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Well with an 11,500# GVWR I would change to 16" wheels and move up to real tires a set LT (Light Truck) tires.
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2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW 14,000# GVWR (New TV)
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS 32’ GVWR 12,360
Visit and enjoy Oregon State Parks
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11-04-2020, 07:42 AM
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At first I thought maybe Rhagfo’s 16” idea was overkill, but having given it a little thought I might be inclined to go this route. Of course it is amazingly easy to spend your money.
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11-04-2020, 08:00 AM
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Location: Newport
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Yeah, likely not going to happen. It has some nice looking wheels on it and tossing brand new tires is expensive enough!
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2021 Keystone Cougar Half-Ton 32BHS 5th Wheel
2022 F-450SD, Lariat Ultimate, CC, 4WD, FX4, Rapid Red, Curt A16/R24 Slider
Upgraded: 2020 F-250SD, XLT Pre, CC, SWB, 4WD, FX4, HCTP, 6.7 PSD, 3.55 e-lock, Blue Jeans Metallic
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11-04-2020, 08:23 AM
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Site Team
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Location: W. Texas
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Having had a TK failure, for no apparent reason (tire was perfectly maintained), costing 7k I'm biased in their use. Biased so far that I had the OE Ranier tires on this trailer (not TK and probably a decent tire) removed and Sailuns installed before I got the trailer. I just don't trust an OE tire any longer unless I know, or at least know of, the tires that are on it. They do not go for the premium tire brands unless on the most expensive units. Expensive? Yes. Aggravating? Yes. Do I hit the road (as I will in the morning heading for FL) with one less nagging worry on my mind thus making me much happier? Yes.
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2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
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11-04-2020, 08:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sourdough
Having had a TK failure, for no apparent reason (tire was perfectly maintained), costing 7k I'm biased in their use. Biased so far that I had the OE Ranier tires on this trailer (not TK and probably a decent tire) removed and Sailuns installed before I got the trailer. I just don't trust an OE tire any longer unless I know, or at least know of, the tires that are on it. They do not go for the premium tire brands unless on the most expensive units. Expensive? Yes. Aggravating? Yes. Do I hit the road (as I will in the morning heading for FL) with one less nagging worry on my mind thus making me much happier? Yes.
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OK, you have been shopping for RVs recently and probably know the Keystone models better than most; what premium brand tire is used on any Keystone? I doubt you will find the tire brand in any sales brochure but if you have been haunting dealerships, perhaps took a look at the tires on upscale lines?
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2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
2006 GL1800 Roadsmith Trike
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11-04-2020, 08:30 AM
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Site Team
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Location: Gaylord
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brantel
Yeah, likely not going to happen. It has some nice looking wheels on it and tossing brand new tires is expensive enough!
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If you're considering Carlisle Radial Trail HD tires, you can often find them for sale at around $70-80 per tire. That's $280-320 for a set of 4. You can put the existing tires on Craigslist for $50 each and get back a major chunk of your tire cost. With mount/balance and steel valve stems, you're looking at around $15 per tire ($60) for installation and, estimate $300 for the tires, so $360 - 200, is about a $160 "out of pocket" expense for quality tires....
GY Endurance are about $60 per tire more expensive ($140 each), so add $240 to that 160 if you're looking at GY as a replacement.
The "track record" at least on this forum, seem to be fairly equal between the Carlisle and Goodyear ST tires.
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2015 F250 6.7l 4x4
2014 Cougar X Lite 27RKS
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11-04-2020, 08:19 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Taylors, SC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brantel
My new 2021 Keystone Cougar Half-Ton 32BHS came with Trailer King RST ST225/75R15E tires.
All the talk on the interwebs about China bombs has me concerned that I should trash these tires right out of the gate.
After looking closely at how the Cougar is built around the tires, a blowout would likely cause much damage and be very expensive to repair.
I think I read somewhere that the TK RST's are a fairly new model and with little history on them as far as reported failures?
So I am considering the Goodyear Endurance ST225/75R15E tire as a replacement as this seems to be the only American made choice in that size with an E load rating.
Should I or should I not? If I do am I making a good move with my choice of replacement tire?
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If you're just unhappy with the name brand, why don't you negotiate with the dealer. Tire designated sizes and brand names are not linked. The regulation the selling dealer must abide by this standard; "The tires on each motor home and RV trailer at first retail sale must be the same size as the tire size on the labeling."
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11-04-2020, 08:55 AM
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Location: Markham, Ontario
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Originally Posted by Mike&Sandy
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I personally don't like the look of that tire, it's not just about the weight they can carry. Tread pattern and water/snow wicking / siping is also just as important.
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Dan & Serena
2019 GMC SIERRA 2500 HD SLE
2015 Cougar X-Lite 29 RET
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11-04-2020, 09:07 AM
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Location: Picacho, Az
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Northofu1
I personally don't like the look of that tire, it's not just about the weight they can carry. Tread pattern and water/snow wicking / siping is also just as important.
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May be an issue on his truck, but on a trailer don't think that would be a problem.
They look like a commercial grade tire similar to the Sailuns I had on my 5th wheel, which by the way were a great tire.
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Sold '13 Redwood FB
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11-04-2020, 10:09 AM
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Location: Mico, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Northofu1
I personally don't like the look of that tire, it's not just about the weight they can carry. Tread pattern and water/snow wicking / siping is also just as important.
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I don't care what you say, they look original equipment on a farm tractor. I guess they do look a bit like the tread pattern on the 16" Sailun trailer tires.
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wiredgeorge Mico TX
2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
2006 GL1800 Roadsmith Trike
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11-05-2020, 08:17 AM
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Location: Folsom
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike&Sandy
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I put TransEagle tires on our rig. All steel construction and have a higher speed rating than Sailuns. I think they will be the next "go to" trailer tire.
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11-05-2020, 08:50 AM
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Location: Canton
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FWIW...
I plan on running the Trailer Kings for a couple years (3 tops) - then will definitely replace. No more than 3 years, but we only tow a few times a year...sits seasonal the rest of the time.
I have 10 year old Carlisle on my 5x8 utility trailer (I know...I know...it's due), so definitely interested in what Carlisle has to offer.
Edit: What TPMS system you eyeballing?
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Eddy
2019 GMC Sierra 2500HD 6.0L
2020 Cougar 32BHS
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11-05-2020, 09:13 AM
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Location: Newport
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ewbldavis
FWIW...
Edit: What TPMS system you eyeballing?
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I am going with the In-Command system since it will integrate with my In-Command app on my phone and I don't want another screen hanging around in my truck cab.
Not a ton of reviews available for it but it looks and smells like it is basically very similar to the other popular brands that use phones for the display.
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2021 Keystone Cougar Half-Ton 32BHS 5th Wheel
2022 F-450SD, Lariat Ultimate, CC, 4WD, FX4, Rapid Red, Curt A16/R24 Slider
Upgraded: 2020 F-250SD, XLT Pre, CC, SWB, 4WD, FX4, HCTP, 6.7 PSD, 3.55 e-lock, Blue Jeans Metallic
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11-05-2020, 10:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brantel
I am going with the In-Command system since it will integrate with my In-Command app on my phone and I don't want another screen hanging around in my truck cab.
Not a ton of reviews available for it but it looks and smells like it is basically very similar to the other popular brands that use phones for the display.
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Same reasons for me.
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