Keystone outback 210urs SUV towable?? - Page 2

**chuckster57** · 06-11-2022, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bsmith0404

I try not to assume about a persons intentions. I can also understand the hope and desire a person would have. He has a very nice vehicle that has the “ability” to tow the weight of the rv. Unfortunately, it’s just not a good tow vehicle. I don’t understand why any manufacturer will say a vehicle can tow xxx amount, but then not build it so a WDH can be used. In many states it is required for anything Over 5k lbs.

I feel he had some doubts and was looking for reassurance. All I can say is at least he asked and is now armed with information. What he does with it is up to him. Hopefully things don’t turn out bad for him.

I’m curious, can you list the states that require WD for anything over 5K?

bsmith0404 · 06-11-2022, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckster57

I’m curious, can you list the states that require WD for anything over 5K?

Actually I was trying to find that and cannot find any requirement. I was going off my orientation from when I transported RVs. The company gave us a list of states and told us to make sure we use a WDH if towing over 5k in those states or we could get ticketed and shut down. Off the top of my head I don’t recall which ones they were. They were all east of the Mississippi and not states I would be towing in so I didn’t pay much attention to it. It could be that it’s required for commercial drivers, but I couldn’t find anything to support that either.

**chuckster57** · 06-11-2022, 05:28 AM

I know there is a weight limit for no trailer brakes, but I didnt think there was a WD restriction. It begs the question, how do you use WD with a boat tailer?

bsmith0404 · 06-11-2022, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckster57

I know there is a weight limit for no trailer brakes, but I didnt think there was a WD restriction. It begs the question, how do you use WD with a boat tailer?

What would make a boat trailer any different than any other trailer?

**chuckster57** · 06-11-2022, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bsmith0404

What would make a boat trailer any different than any other trailer?

larger boat trailers dont have electric brakes, they have surge brakes built into the tongue so a WD may interfere with it, I dont know for sure but thats what Im thinking

bsmith0404 · 06-11-2022, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckster57

larger boat trailers dont have electric brakes, they have surge brakes built into the tongue so a WD may interfere with it, I dont know for sure but thats what Im thinking

Ok, now I’m following you. I’m not sure how that would work either. Never owned a boat that big, 3k was the biggest I’ve had.

notanlines · 06-11-2022, 05:53 AM

We towed a 38' Fountain Lightning for about 16 years. The weight of the boat, full of fuel, and the trailer was 12,000 pounds. The original brakes were drum but after two years we swapped to disk brakes (still surge brakes). There was a big difference in braking and we were then able to use the WDH. If we had it to do over we would have converted to electric over hydraulic for better service.

Laredo Tugger · 06-11-2022, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by notanlines

"I doubt ill have problems. But thanks for all the advice"
Does this quote from earlier tell you guys anything? In looking back, I believe Laredo caught on first and then then rest of you knew.

I guess I am earning my "Detectives" badge in the Weight Police Department.
Don't get me wrong here. I hope the OP returns and states that he understands what we are telling him and will rethink his intentions. But how many times have you seen folks come here for answers but really have no desire to listen to the advice they are given. They just bid farewell with a " thanks, but I got this " response and then they hit the road.
I was one of those people some time ago. Thought I was " good to go " with a big gasser in front of my 5th wheel, but ironically a quote from Notanlines caught my attention and my TV plans immediately changed to my current configuration. Thanks Jim.
RMc

**chuckster57** · 06-11-2022, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by notanlines

We towed a 38' Fountain Lightning for about 16 years. The weight of the boat, full of fuel, and the trailer was 12,000 pounds. The original brakes were drum but after two years we swapped to disk brakes (still surge brakes). There was a big difference in braking and we were then able to use the WDH. If we had it to do over we would have converted to electric over hydraulic for better service.

What type of WD did you use?

notanlines · 06-11-2022, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckster57

What type of WD did you use?

I don't remember the brand (nothing special, about $200 25 years ago), but I needed as many links hanging at the bars as possible. The surge rod at the master cylinder requires very, very little movement.

Sir_LR · 06-12-2022, 06:51 AM

Thanks for all the info much appreciated I've steered away and am looking for a much smaller lighter trailer now.

fjr vfr · 06-12-2022, 07:04 AM

Smart decision. Best of luck, and don't listen to sales people...lol

Laredo Tugger · 06-12-2022, 08:16 AM

Great to hear back from you Sir_LR and great to hear you are rethinking your towing capacities.
I was in your shoes a few years ago and I finally took a good look at the advice I was getting and from where it came from. The folks on here are not getting any endorsements or commissions for the advice they give. They are just getting the satisfaction that another towing combination traveling the highways that we share will do so safely.
I will say that the "natural progression " in RV ownership trends upward. You might consider a change in your towing vehicle that will be there already if you decide to upgrade.
I hope you find a nice and safe trailer.
RMc

bsmith0404 · 06-12-2022, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sir_LR

Thanks for all the info much appreciated I've steered away and am looking for a much smaller lighter trailer now.

My advice, get a trailer you’ll be happy with for many years, even if that means changing tow vehicles. Refer back to my post #15 and you’ll see there isn’t much, if anything, other than a popup that you can safely tow without a WDH. IMO, don’t sacrifice on trailer if your TV won’t handle what you want, get a different TV. That tends to happen sooner rather than later anyway and then you’ve wasted money on a trailer that you didn’t really want to begin with and are stuck eating the depreciation of an RV.

**sourdough** · 06-12-2022, 10:08 AM

Sir_LR I don't know your situation but there is a couple where I winter that has a vehicle like yours but gas. A very nice vehicle and she loves it. They have a very nice 5th wheel because they wanted the space and he drives a dually which is also the TV. If something like that would work you might want to consider it. Trying to "work up" in RVs is literally throwing money into a pit as they depreciate so quickly. Good luck on your search.

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