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Old 05-11-2022, 05:23 AM   #1
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Awning roll direction

We just bought a used 2019 Springdale Mini 1760BH with a manual awning and when unrolling the awning, I noticed it’s inside out? I’ve never seen one rolled with the underside exposed when rolled up, I’ve always seen it rolled with the top exposed when rolled up. So we rolled back up we did it the way I think it should be, but the frame doesn’t sit flush with the wall of the camper, it protrudes a bit.
So… which way should the awning roll in?
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Old 05-11-2022, 05:27 AM   #2
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Welcome aboard! Glad you found us. Yes, the top image is correct. Maybe you can post a pic of how it looks closed.
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Old 05-11-2022, 06:15 AM   #3
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Yup if the awing fabric is installed such that the underside is showing it is installed backwards.. This will trap and hold water and the slide will never properly close if installed that way..
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Old 05-11-2022, 06:34 AM   #4
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If you buy an awning fabric with the three gimps installed, you can’t install it on the roller tube “upside down”.

Since it’s a manual awning, you can wind the torsions backwards so it rolls up backwards.
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Old 05-11-2022, 07:36 AM   #5
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If it's rolled like the bottom diagram it's likely been over extended then rolled up. Have you tried extending it til the skirt goes back over the tube from the top then roll it back up.
I do know with the powered awnings if you continue to press the extend button it will extend fully then start rolling underneath the tube rather than over it.
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Old 05-11-2022, 08:06 AM   #6
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We just bought a used 2019 Springdale Mini 1760BH with a manual awning and when unrolling the awning, I noticed it’s inside out? I’ve never seen one rolled with the underside exposed when rolled up, I’ve always seen it rolled with the top exposed when rolled up. So we rolled back up we did it the way I think it should be, but the frame doesn’t sit flush with the wall of the camper, it protrudes a bit.
So… which way should the awning roll in?
Diagram below for reference (is top or bottom diagram correct?)

I've only seen the top so that things/water roll off.
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Old 05-11-2022, 08:11 AM   #7
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Solera electric awnings, for a number of years, would "hyper-extend and roll up backwards"... I believe the new ones no longer do that, but what's to say anything coming from the factory is "new year products" ???

That said, I believe the OP said their awning is a "manual awning" which makes me wonder how they "rolled it up the way they thought it should be" ???

Manual awnings have a spring loaded awning rail that is under tension. I have not "tried it myself" but I can't imagine the force it would take to manually roll up the awning fabric against the spring tension trying to roll it the opposite direction....

So, if the fabric was recently replaced (maybe before the recent purchase) it could have been "installed backwards". But as Chuckster said, with the 3 gimp awning fabric, that's all but impossible to do... The fabric should extend from the trailer sidewall, over the top of the awning roller tube and when fully retracted and when fully deployed, there should be "no gap on top (so the awning sheds water) and a gap on the bottom (when standing beside the trailer, looking up)... The top of the awning fabric, usually a thicker "solar travel cover", is what is visible as the awning is fully retracted for travel.... If the underside is visible, on the outside of the roller tube, the awning is not correctly rolled up.

As for "not fitting flush against the trailer side"... If the awning fabric was recently installed, it may not be "properly adjusted so that it is square with the awning roller tube and the trailer awning rail... Just an inch or two in either direction will cause the awning to "roll up crooked with one end too close to the trailer and the other end too far away"....
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Old 05-11-2022, 11:20 AM   #8
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John, when you install the fabric on a manual awning you have to remove all tension and take one end off. Then as you know you wind the roller one turn per foot of awning. I’ve seen a couple of techs roll the tube the wrong way so it will retract backwards. They didn’t realize it until it was back on the trailer and they tried to extend it. Needless to say, sometimes you just have to watch and let them learn.
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Old 05-11-2022, 11:46 AM   #9
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John, when you install the fabric on a manual awning you have to remove all tension and take one end off. Then as you know you wind the roller one turn per foot of awning. I’ve seen a couple of techs roll the tube the wrong way so it will retract backwards. They didn’t realize it until it was back on the trailer and they tried to extend it. Needless to say, sometimes you just have to watch and let them learn.
Yep, I know.... The point is, if it was installed upside down, when the OP extended the awning, to roll it up in the other direction would mean adding to the existing spring tension. I can't imagine trying to make the spring tension greater by rolling it up even tighter on the awning tube. It would keep getting tighter and tighter as you roll it even further in the same direction so it's "on top of the awning tube". And, when you get it retracted, all that tension is going to "unwind and push the awning back out until the spring is "neutral".....
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Old 05-11-2022, 11:50 AM   #10
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Yup!! Easy to fix with a nice set of vise grips, 7/16” wrench. 2 people, and a little time.
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Old 05-11-2022, 12:39 PM   #11
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Yup!! Easy to fix with a nice set of vise grips, 7/16” wrench. 2 people, and a little time.
Been there...done that. Very first fabric replacement on a manual awning I wound the spring the wrong direction. Just reverse the process to correct.


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Old 05-11-2022, 02:52 PM   #12
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As others have said; the top image is correct. On my Solera power awning, you can keep the button pressed and it will fully extend and then retract backwards. With a manual awning, not possible. Highly probable that the awning was replaced and improperly reinstalled.
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Old 05-11-2022, 03:18 PM   #13
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could the fabric be installed upside down and also the tube itself is upside down on the brackets???
if the tube was installed the correct way the fabric would still be upside down but would wind in like the top picture..seems like two problems? they realized the fabric was upside down so they just flipped the tube? instead of starting over
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Old 05-11-2022, 03:46 PM   #14
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could the fabric be installed upside down and also the tube itself is upside down on the brackets???
if the tube was installed the correct way the fabric would still be upside down but would wind in like the top picture..seems like two problems? they realized the fabric was upside down so they just flipped the tube? instead of starting over
I be suppose it might be possible, but you would have to do a lot of things wrong, and with all the YouTube videos that show you how to replace the fabric, im thinking it was simply tensioned the wrong direction and the previous owner didn’t want to fix it, and sold it as is.
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Old 05-12-2022, 09:24 AM   #15
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The fabric is installed correctly based on what the OP is saying, the previous owners just rolled up the awning backwards with the crank. From what I remember on the mini, the awning arms won’t sit tight against the RV, I doubt you have an issue, just roll it the correct way and enjoy. If you think the arms are too far out when fully retracted, add a pic so we can see what you’re concerned about.
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Old 05-12-2022, 11:34 AM   #16
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I've noticed that my electric awning apparently allows overextension and rolling in the "wrong" direction. I've never rolled it more than a foot or two in the wrong direction (and that by accident), but I'd always planned to reverse it entirely the next time I got around to giving both sides of the awning a good wash, as I envisioned that having the roller to "wash against" with the brush would make the job both easier and less messy. I never thought about what effect this might have on the spring, as this is my first electric awning and I had quite forgotten that a spring was still involved. Am I likely to damage the spring if I do this?
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Old 05-19-2022, 11:10 PM   #17
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I'm kind of surprised that absolutely nobody has chimed in to say yes or no here!
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I have a Lippert Solera power awning and there is no spring. I can roll it out as intended, and if I keep pressing the switch it will keep going and roll all the way back up in the opposite direction. Depending on your make and model, this may or may not be a possibility for you. The OP has a manual awning so you can't compare the two. YMMV
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Old 05-27-2022, 08:34 PM   #19
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Same here...
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