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Old 12-05-2016, 09:37 PM   #1
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In possession of a 2016 F250 Super Duty

the deal is almost too good to pass up, trading in of my F150 ecoboost 4 door will help to lower the price of the F250 to less than I paid for my F150 4 years ago, and it's begging me to buy it . . . only problem is I'm having a hard time figuring out the pay load of the 3/4 tonner . . . the truck is a F250 crew cab SWR 4x4 with 10000# GVWR Package with the 6.7L Power Stroke & 156" WB, 6 speed transmission

Going on this chart:
http://www.ford.com/trucks/superduty...tions/payload/

am I reading it right that the payload is 3100 pounds?

Also per towing the chart:
http://www.ford.com/trucks/superduty...ations/towing/

this one has a 3.55 gear and it says 14000 pounds towing

I also see that the 3.31 gear also tows 14000 pounds, total GVW weight of my trailer is 7800, if I went for the higher gear, I assume unloaded around town and highway miles I would get better mileage?

I just want to be safe with my family and the EcoScrew F150 has done a good job towing the new 26RBI trailer, I just am concerned that towing thru places like WV turnpike, or some of the state campgrounds that are not a hop off the interstates might be more taxing on the smaller turbo 3.5 gasser, even though that little motor and 1/2 ton truck really impressed me

thanks for any help or insight



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Old 12-05-2016, 10:18 PM   #2
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Re: In possession of a 2016 F250 Super Duty

The only payload # that matters is the one on the door sticker. From some quick research that 3,000# number may be close but I'm having a hard time believing it. 3/4 ton trucks are limited by a max 10,000# GVWR - this is the weight of the vehicle plus any payload. It's hard to believe the curb weight I found of 6800#. That is how much my 3/4 ton gasser weighs and the diesel is typically 700-ish pounds more which reduces the payload since the total can't go over 10,000#. Of course, even at over 10K you're still under the axle max ratings and many (including me) argue the limitations of a 3/4 ton are clerical. But, that's an argument for another day.

Long story short - check the door sticker.
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Old 12-05-2016, 10:19 PM   #3
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Re: In possession of a 2016 F250 Super Duty

I did not go to the web sites and read the charts. Sounds like you looked at the truck. Read the yellow sticker on the door and the white one they have the payload listed for THAT truck, not just any f250. Even ask the sales guy to photo it and send it to you if it's a ways away. A few years ago the f250s had less springs and 8ply tires. The f350 of the same body had more rear springs and 10 ply tires. A friends 99 f250 has a tow package and it looks like the same rear spring package on my f350.
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Old 12-06-2016, 12:47 AM   #4
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Re: In possession of a 2016 F250 Super Duty

I have the same truck, except it's a 2011...the first year that the new engine/truck/transmission came out. I can't remember the exact numbers, but my across the scale weight was right at 7560...give or take a few lbs. That leaves you less than 2500 lbs for the GVWR. Mine has the 3.31 rear end and on the highway running 70 mph and NOT towing, I've gotten right at 20 mpg. I just recently towed home my new 34 1/2' T.H. from Virginia to Knoxville, across the Smoky mountains and averaged 9.6 mpg running 65 - 70 mph....with an empty trailer of course that weighs approx. 9000 lbs.
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Old 12-06-2016, 03:52 AM   #5
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Re: In possession of a 2016 F250 Super Duty

FWIIW: My 2015 F250 GAS XLT CC 6.5 box, 18 inch wheels, skid plates, and tail gate step is 2668 lb payload. The diesel is typically a few hundred ponds less due to heavier engine. Trim level and options is also important so the sticker is the only way to know for sure what your payload is.
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Old 12-06-2016, 04:04 AM   #6
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Re: In possession of a 2016 F250 Super Duty

^^^^what they said. And also keep in mind that the difference in a 331 and a 355 will not compute to a mileage you will be able to put in the bank. Wind resistance and rolling resistance are both way more involved, particularly at highway speeds. I'm also betting your payload will be in the 2200 pound capacity when you read the labels. Keep us up on what you find.
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Old 12-06-2016, 04:12 AM   #7
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Michael...... I just looked up your trailer and you would have lots of extra towing capacity with that truck (the F250). Since you are towing a travel trailer vs. a 5th wheeler, you obviously don't have to be concerned with pin weight in the bed. What you do have to look at is the tongue weight of your trailer and it looks to be around 710 lbs. If the truck you are looking is like mine, and it should be, the class V hitch on the back is rated for 16,000 lbs capacity with 1600 lbs of tongue weight, when using a draw bar that is the 2 1/2" size. The rating goes down to 12,000 lbs capacity and 1200 lb tongue weight when using a 2" draw bar with the sleeve or adapter inside the receiver. Of course the 16,000 rating is higher than the 14,000 lb rating of the truck, so you go with the lesser of the two....the 14,000 lb tow rating. Bottom line is that the F250, which in actuality weighs in at approx. 7500-7600 lbs, would have roughly 2400 lbs of available weight to play with. Deduct your approx. 700 lbs of tongue weight from the 2400 and now you are down to 1700 lbs available for luggage, stuff in the bed, a weight distribution hitch, extra passengers, whatever.

As a reference, my trailer is 9000 lbs empty with a tongue weight of 1360 lbs, and a cargo carrying capacity of roughly 4000 lbs. That puts me at 13k lbs fully loaded, which is still 1000 lbs under the towing limit of 14k. It's also under the hitch rating (16,000 capacity) and (1600 tongue weight) when using a 2 1/2" draw bar. Hope this helps. That F250 with the 6.7 turbo diesel is a "boss" when it comes to towing. I would recommend a weight distribution hitch though, instead of just hitching to the truck and not using one.
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Old 12-06-2016, 04:37 AM   #8
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Re: In possession of a 2016 F250 Super Duty

View the payload on the door sticker!

I think you'll be surprised to find it's terribly low and likely not much of an upgrade from what you got in the F150. The PSD drivetrain is extremely heavy and the medium duty (10k GVWR) F250 payload is consumed by the power plant. Not to mention the quad cab and likely well equipped trim level continues to eat payload as well. I venture a guess of 2100# of available payload - which is rather pathetic for a heavy duty truck. Only the door sticker can tell....
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Old 12-06-2016, 06:58 AM   #9
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View the payload on the door sticker!

I think you'll be surprised to find it's terribly low and likely not much of an upgrade from what you got in the F150. The PSD drivetrain is extremely heavy and the medium duty (10k GVWR) F250 payload is consumed by the power plant. Not to mention the quad cab and likely well equipped trim level continues to eat payload as well. I venture a guess of 2100# of available payload - which is rather pathetic for a heavy duty truck. Only the door sticker can tell....

Yes I read the door sticker and it's printed 1969lbs payload + the 150lbs driver weight for the F250 and my F150 is 1421lbs + 150 in driver weight, yea not a tremendance amout of diffrence
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Old 12-06-2016, 07:20 AM   #10
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yea not a tremendance amout of diffrence
While technically not, in real world performance it will be quite substantial. The HD truck has larger brakes, stiffer suspension, a larger frame and some other things that provide from a much better towing experience.
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Be careful when you pull out of the right lane to pass slower moving traffic....it will get you a ticket if you aren't careful........65 mph to 85 mph almost before you can think about it.
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Yes I read the door sticker and it's printed 1969lbs payload + the 150lbs driver weight for the F250 and my F150 is 1421lbs + 150 in driver weight, yea not a tremendance amout of difference.
I have a 2016 F250 XLT and a 2016 F350 Lariat Ultimate for pulling the 5er and as a DD. My F250 4x4 trim is only XLT but with the 6.7 has a payload of 2447. Wondering what additional options to bite nearly 500# off.

As stated above the F250 you are looking at will tow your TT and have room to upgrade to nearly any TT. If a 5er is in your future few will have a dry pin weight under 2000#. You will really enjoy the pulling difference!
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I just installed the F350 blocks on my 2016 F250. Since it is now identical in-every-way as an F350, I just go by the F350's 11,500 GVWR and the F350's 7,000 rear GAWR... and don't sweat anything. [emoji846]


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I just installed the F350 blocks on my 2016 F250. Since it is now identical in-every-way as an F350, I just go by the F350's 11,500 GVWR and the F350's 7,000 rear GAWR... and don't sweat anything. [emoji846]


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I just installed the F350 blocks on my 2016 F250. Since it is now identical in-every-way as an F350, I just go by the F350's 11,500 GVWR and the F350's 7,000 rear GAWR... and don't sweat anything. [emoji846]
This gets argued a lot on the Ford forums. Actual differences between an F250 and F350 (SRW), with many folks insistent it's the exact same rear axle between the two rigs.

However what's published in the Ford technical data is a rear axle rating of 6200# for the F250 and a different rating of 7280# for the F350. That separates out the difference in springs, wheels, etc and looks specifically at the actual axle housing unit. Granted still could be the exact same axle but why would Ford provide different ratings?

Source HERE - page 80/81
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This gets argued a lot on the Ford forums. Actual differences between an F250 and F350 (SRW), with many folks insistent it's the exact same rear axle between the two rigs.

However what's published in the Ford technical data is a rear axle rating of 6200# for the F250 and a different rating of 7280# for the F350. That separates out the difference in springs, wheels, etc and looks specifically at the actual axle housing unit. Granted still could be the exact same axle but why would Ford provide different ratings?

Source HERE - page 80/81


I have a 2016 F250 with rear overload spring.

I have two friends with 2016 F350. All three trucks have the exact same spring packs. Even verified by code on door sticker. Rear ends are identical. Past documents noting different differentials and housings have been proven inaccurate. The trucks are the same. Folks just can't accept it.

Older trucks may vary...

The F250 is limited due to its 10,000 lbs GVWR, which is a paper limit to keep it a class 2 truck. The parts are the same though.


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I have a 2016 F250 with rear overload spring.

I have two friends with 2016 F350. All three trucks have the exact same spring packs. Even verified by code on door sticker. Rear ends are identical. Past documents noting different differentials and housings have been proven inaccurate. The trucks are the same. Folks just can't accept it.

Older trucks may vary...

The F250 is limited due to its 10,000 lbs GVWR, which is a paper limit to keep it a class 2 truck. The parts are the same though.

To be clear though, your F250 specifically has the 11,500 GVWR option or heavy duty trailer option (or whatever they call that optional package). It adds the rear overload spring (same as F350 SRW) and "computer selected one spring level stiffer" front coils as well. Whereas all normally equipped trims (without this camper option) have the 10k GVWR capacity. Aside from those overload and stiffer springs, the question is whether the rear axle itself (housing, shafts, hubs, diff, etc.) is identical between the 10k and 11.5k GVWR versions. That's the part that nobody can seem to prove, everybody speculates, and the ford specifications clearly state are different.
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To be clear though, your F250 specifically has the 11,500 GVWR option or heavy duty trailer option (or whatever they call that optional package). It adds the rear overload spring (same as F350 SRW) and "computer selected one spring level stiffer" front coils as well. Whereas all normally equipped trims (without this camper option) have the 10k GVWR capacity. Aside from those overload and stiffer springs, the question is whether the rear axle itself (housing, shafts, hubs, diff, etc.) is identical between the 10k and 11.5k GVWR versions. That's the part that nobody can seem to prove, everybody speculates, and the ford specifications clearly state are different.


There is no 11,500 option for F250's. They are limited to 10,000. This includes mine.

They are the same trucks though... which was my point.


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I have a 2012 F150 Ecoboost s/c with the HD payload package, my door sticker is 2,180 lbs. I am surprised by the 1,969 F250
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I have a 2012 F150 Ecoboost s/c with the HD payload package, my door sticker is 2,180 lbs. I am surprised by the 1,969 F250
The payload deficit with the 10,000 GVW limit and the heavier than competition body was one of the major considerations for Ford's decision to change to an aluminum body on the 2017 SuperDuty trucks. Essentially, Ford had the smallest payload of the "big 3" in the 3/4 ton trucks. They also had the heaviest body/chassis, which called for some "weight reduction" if they were going to be competitive with GM and RAM. So they reduced the weight by about 700 pounds, reinvested about half that in a stronger, heavier frame and put the rest in payload. So now, the "luxury editions" (heavily optioned) models have payloads that can compete with GM and RAM. As an example, a 2016 F250 Lariat with a 1926 payload in a 2017 model would have a yellow sticker payload of roughly 2300-2400 pounds.

ADDED: Keep in mind that with that 2180 payload on the F150 comes a GVW of 8100 pounds with an empty truck weighing in at about 6000 pounds. The F250 diesel weighs in around 7300 pounds (empty) in XL (base model) trim and about 7700 pounds in Lariat trim. All that weight isn't "cab and fluff" there's a substantially stronger frame and running gear on the SuperDuty that account for much of that increased weight. That makes the SuperDuty a substantially stronger truck in 3/4 ton mode than a "comparable payload" F150. Both are good trucks, I'm not "degrading" either, but the SuperDuty, even with a lower payload is a much more "substantial" truck.
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