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Old 07-09-2021, 07:15 AM   #41
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I don't understand your "logic" here?

GM builds a 100% brand new HD platform, (with little to no carry over from previous gen) with upgraded capacities across the board and you complain about it?

you've posted here 12,000 times... and the majority of those is telling people "You don't have enough truck, "You're unsafe", "You're overweight", "you're going to kill yourself and all you loved ones"

GM recognized that building an HD diesel truck with only 2,000 payload was a waste of time in todays "SUPER SIZE" modern world, let alone irresponsible and un-safe.

I said this before, truck classifications 2/3 are meaningless, antiquated, and a relic of yesteryear.

Change is inevitable... and this is just the opening salvo, Ford and Ram will follow (with 1 ups).... basically putting the weight police out of business for good.

If you don't like change, well then you probably won't like the mid cycle enhancement on GM trucks. hint.... don't be looking for the gear shift in its usual place.


First, is no logic to understand in the quoted post; 2 statements - both truthful and accurate. No logic needed.

I have no complaint about GMs new platform, I have a complaint about the way they are approaching it. As I said, new RV buyers, and probably more than 1/2 of truck buyers look at the designation on the truck (1500/2500/3500) to get some idea of what they are looking at. As we see on this forum and others SO many have no idea about looking for the truck's capacity on board. IMO that is deceptive, maybe not intentionally, maybe a "new design" mode, but hurts instead of helps folks looking for a truck. I've gone on the GM website now multiple time to spec a new 3500 (even a 2500), their pictures of the trucks when asking if you want to build and price had the model designation on the fender. Build and price and as the model keeps getting updated with your changes there is no designation on the truck - and I've not seen any in the field either. THAT is misleading and exactly what I referenced.

As far as the majority of those 12k posts warning folks of being overweight; that's an exaggeration on your part but a lot of them are, because......LOTS of folks tow overweight, some by choice some by ignorance. As far as the examples I mention that's from experience....don't want others to get to do that.

As far as truck classifications they DO mean something and they certainly help folks identify a particular size truck. They've been there 70-80 years and folks are used to using that as an identifier. If GM wants to change the game and weight classes they need to do a WHOLE lot better job educating folks on what they are doing.

Yes, change IS inevitable; sometimes good and sometimes bad as we see in our current societal situation. That won't however put the "weight police" out of business. There are always those (and will be) that just have to be the one that says "hey y'all, watch this" then encourage others to do the same - no matter how stupid it may be or what weight class the truck - at that time there will be those that try to warn of possible danger.

Never said I didn't like change; only dislike change for the worse. As far as a gear shift being in its "usual" place: don't know how long you've been around but "gear shifts" have been on buttons, dials, levers on the dash along with various configurations in the floor/console or on the column over the last 7-8 decades (and I've owned many of them) so doubt there will be any revelation there.

I guess in the end it goes back to my original statement that was quoted; "I know some don't want to hear that a 2500 is not a one ton..." and that is the truth. Those that tow overweight or don't believe in weights usually squeak the loudest about weight police and all that GM is doing is giving those folks cover while at the same time confusing those that want to be safe and legal. JMO/YMMV
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Old 07-09-2021, 04:22 PM   #42
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First, is no logic to understand in the quoted post; 2 statements - both truthful and accurate. No logic needed.

I guess in the end it goes back to my original statement that was quoted; "I know some don't want to hear that a 2500 is not a one ton..." and that is the truth. Those that tow overweight or don't believe in weights usually squeak the loudest about weight police and all that GM is doing is giving those folks cover while at the same time confusing those that want to be safe and legal. JMO/YMMV
I'm going to go ahead and apologize, this forum makes me throw all professionalism out the window (I'm not sure why?). My wife would be appalled at me,

I really shouldn't be posting here anyway. That said I will stop participating here after this post. (cue the clapping and comments)

I'll stick to my day job, which is difficult enough baby sitting millennials who think any work before 9am is not required.... but I digress. If the millennials have their way we'll ALL be driving autonomous, electric trucks with "campfire" seating.... yes, "campfire" seating....I wish I was joking. God help us all.

Lucky for me AND my wife we have our time in, and can leave anytime. We both started right out of college, worked 1 job. I going to relax and do some fishing in Colorado when its all said and done very shortly.

I wish you all best of luck, and safe travels.

PS... Andrew Ricker and Henry Ford together founded SAE in 1905
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Old 07-09-2021, 04:41 PM   #43
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It’s been a rough year on everyone…a lot of people have been having a hard time communicating without it turning into an argument.

The important part is to keep the conversation going even if you don’t always agree…when we all give up and can’t talk to one another that’s when civilization breaks down.

It takes all kinds of people to make a club or forum interesting and debating something makes everyone think a little more.

I don’t think you need to give up the forum … I think everyone probably appreciates your apology and I’ve had to apologize myself before…don’t be so hard on yourself..this is all supposed to be fun.
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Old 07-09-2021, 04:51 PM   #44
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Yea some of you need to smoke a doobie & chill.
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Old 07-09-2021, 05:12 PM   #45
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Never said a 2500 was a 3500. I don't think they are playing with numbers it's just the next step of moving up to what the trucks are probably already capable of. Just not legally if your sticker is a 10000lb one.
Well a 2500 with a 11,500# GVWR is by class definition a one ton.

Just like a F350 with a derated GVWR of 9,900# or 10,000 by class definition is a F250.
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Yer gonna get in trouble with the weight cops, you practically said a 3/4 t & 1 t are the same.
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Old 07-09-2021, 06:03 PM   #47
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Yer gonna get in trouble with the weight cops, you practically said a 3/4 t & 1 t are the same.
Sorry I deal in facts, sometimes gets me in trouble. Until I believe 2019 the F350 SRW had a GVWR of 11,500#. Now a 2020 GM “2500” has a GVWR of 11,500# so the are both by class, class 3 trucks hence one tons by definition.
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Old 07-09-2021, 07:00 PM   #48
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I'm going to go ahead and apologize, this forum makes me throw all professionalism out the window (I'm not sure why?). My wife would be appalled at me,

I really shouldn't be posting here anyway. That said I will stop participating here after this post. (cue the clapping and comments)

I'll stick to my day job, which is difficult enough baby sitting millennials who think any work before 9am is not required.... but I digress. If the millennials have their way we'll ALL be driving autonomous, electric trucks with "campfire" seating.... yes, "campfire" seating....I wish I was joking. God help us all.

Lucky for me AND my wife we have our time in, and can leave anytime. We both started right out of college, worked 1 job. I going to relax and do some fishing in Colorado when its all said and done very shortly.

I wish you all best of luck, and safe travels.

PS... Andrew Ricker and Henry Ford together founded SAE in 1905


No need to stop participating....maybe have a little more insight into folks, their needs and towing metrics (JMO)

At least you're close to "leaving"; I retired over 15 years ago so I can tell you that there is "light over that hill". And, I would encourage you to do some fishing in CO; caught my weight by 5x in some fantastic trout.

And yes, "if the millennials have their way".....nah, we really can't have that. Safe travels and happy camping.
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Old 07-10-2021, 08:12 AM   #49
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I've been playing the Truck game for a long enough time to see through the advertising BS of the automakers. Remember back in the 70's with the ads for trucks towing logging trailers and a Boeing 747. I was in the new truck market in 1974 and all my local Chevrolet dealer had on the lot were loaded Scottsdale and Cheyenne units. I needed a ranch truck so I sat down with the salesman and ordered up plain jane K20.
When it came in it had a 9500# gvw rating and was was a great work truck for my needs. Just wish I had ordered it with the big block 454.
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I've been playing the Truck game for a long enough time to see through the advertising BS of the automakers. Remember back in the 70's with the ads for trucks towing logging trailers and a Boeing 747. I was in the new truck market in 1974 and all my local Chevrolet dealer had on the lot were loaded Scottsdale and Cheyenne units. I needed a ranch truck so I sat down with the salesman and ordered up plain jane K20.
When it came in it had a 9500# gvw rating and was was a great work truck for my needs. Just wish I had ordered it with the big block 454.

Those guys were workhorses, or fun, whichever way you chose to use them. Dad had a pickup with it and a good friend had a 454 Chevelle right after they came out. Did a good job whichever way you used it...in those days I liked the Chevelle more, and more importantly, those 454s liked gas stations more than anyone liked them.
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Old 07-14-2021, 06:24 AM   #51
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What's BS about it? F250 Diesel's have payload of 1,900-2,100 lbs.

Notice how NOBODY with an F250 replied.... because they are most likely OVERWEIGHT.

it's pretty easy to verify, facts are facts.
My 99 had 3000 availbale by the scales.my 2014 f350 SRW had 4000 lbs availble. when I was loaded on the F250 with people, dog and all the stuff I was 300lbs over my rear axel weight.

its quite possible that that SRW chevy or gmc could tow a triple axel toy hauler. just because it is big doesnt nessasarly mean the pin weight is any more, and when loaded the pin weight is proabably lighter. or maybe he only puts a 900lb harley in it, or maybe its a family set up with 4 kayacks in it... people always assume because a 5th wheel toy hauler is big that its heavy, but most of thoes are empty space. My friend has one, he just uses it for the kids water toys, his kayacks and the two extra queen beds for the kids. oh and the patio space it makes when you set it up.

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Old 07-14-2021, 06:39 AM   #52
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Those guys were workhorses, or fun, whichever way you chose to use them. Dad had a pickup with it and a good friend had a 454 Chevelle right after they came out. Did a good job whichever way you used it...in those days I liked the Chevelle more, and more importantly, those 454s liked gas stations more than anyone liked them.
I had a 78 Z/28 that came with the anemic 350/4speed and I swapped it out for a 454/turbo 400 making close to 500 hp! Those guys with the Mustang 5.0's didn't know what hit 'em! Even had a guy with a Porsche Whale Tail get surprised at a red light in Jacksonville Beach! This was back around 1980. I love the smell of CAM 2 in the morning? (or any time actually!)
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Old 08-16-2021, 01:39 PM   #53
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I was curious so I went out to look at my Ford and it says the payload is 4237
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From back in the day! It's stuff like this that makes people think their "heavy duty" trucks can do anything!
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