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Old 01-29-2016, 07:01 PM   #1
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Towing weight

Having trouble trying to figure out how much trailer I can tow, I keep getting different answers any advice would be appreciated.
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2015 GMC 1500 double cab 4x4
Max tow 6.2 ltr 8 speed trans 3.42 rear ratio
GCWR 17,700
GAWR R 4300
GVW 7600

Can I tow a fifth wheel with a UVW of 10500 and a hitch weight of 2055?
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Old 01-29-2016, 07:23 PM   #2
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No..

Open the driver's door and find the yellow sticker, on the sticker it will say the maximum payload. Payload includes everything in or on the truck.

That trailer is on the upper end of 3/4 ton territory.
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Old 01-29-2016, 07:25 PM   #3
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Inside drivers door will give you the amount of weight for passengers and cargo your truck can handle. You then need the actual pin weight of your trailer, advertising will give the dry weight, and 20% of a 5th wheel is used for the pin weight. I would use the max weight rating of your trailer per your numbers given that would be 2,100 Lb plus all occupants as well as the hitch in the back for the fifth wheel and any other items carried in the truck. My guess is that you need a 3/4-ton or better to carry the fifth wheel pin weight. Towing the trailer is not the problem; the problem with half ton's is that they are not designed to carry the weight of most fifth wheels as well as passenger and cargo. Also your GVW is 7600 and trailer at 10,500 you are now over GCWR at 18,100Lb.
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Old 01-29-2016, 07:31 PM   #4
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Can I tow a fifth wheel with this truck? what would be my max weights?
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Old 01-29-2016, 08:46 PM   #5
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No , you can't tow a fifth wheel with that truck. ( as Javi said ) Have a look at this link to GMC's towing guide.

http://www.gmc.com/content/dam/GMC/g...wing-guide.pdf

Notice on page 13 it says for 5th wheel towing see page 14. Page 14 is in the HD catagory. Also notice in the guide that everything with higher towing capacity in the 1500 line has a lower ratio of 3.73. The max I see with a 3.42 double cab is 9500lb towing capacity.

Read over the link and form your own opinion. I think you will see what I see.

I hope that helps

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Old 01-29-2016, 09:21 PM   #6
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Can I tow a fifth wheel with this truck? what would be my max weights?
I had a '15 F150 with 14,000 miles when we decided to upgrade to a new 5er. Traded it in on an F250 after purchasing the Cougar 303rls.

No one can answer without looking at the sticker on your door. It depends on options in the truck. GM assigned the numbers to your individual truck. Get the payload number and post ~~ all weights would be best. My bet is the answer is no, you will not be able find a 5er to tow with your truck ~~ I could not and that is why I bought the F250.
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Old 01-29-2016, 10:09 PM   #7
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Not only does your truck have no prayer of towing that, most 2500s wouldn't either unless you drive everywhere yourself with no passengers and no gear. The reason is most 2500s have a payload of approximately 2000 lbs and your pin weight alone on a trailer like that uses all your payload. if you did hook that trailer up to your 1500 your view would be the tops of the telephone poles, you would be going 15 mph up most hills, and sparks would be flying off your rear bumper.
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Old 01-30-2016, 05:05 AM   #8
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Not only does your truck have no prayer of towing that, most 2500s wouldn't either unless you drive everywhere yourself with no passengers and no gear. The reason is most 2500s have a payload of approximately 2000 lbs and your pin weight alone on a trailer like that uses all your payload. if you did hook that trailer up to your 1500 your view would be the tops of the telephone poles, you would be going 15 mph up most hills, and sparks would be flying off your rear bumper.
So, it can be done, then?

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Old 01-30-2016, 06:14 AM   #9
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If you are hooked on that 5th wheel, what it the loaded weight of it. I have a 350 and would have plenty of payload for it but my tow capacity is just over 12,000 so I am guessing it would be close or over. There are TT that you can tow or start looking at new trucks. All depends on what you really want.
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Old 01-30-2016, 09:10 AM   #10
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if you need more convincing that most 2500's couldn't do this either then read this. 2500'S are restricted legally to 10,000 GVWR which kills them for towing and hauling. I think it has to do with CDL rules.

http://www.keystonerv.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24352
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Old 01-30-2016, 09:24 AM   #11
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Forget the unloaded weight of a fiver. Use the gvwr of the fiver for guideline of what truck to tow with. Example: If the gvwr of a particular fiver is say 13,000 lb. The loaded pin in this will weigh around 2600 lbs (20 percent factor).
The payload of a typical modern 3/4 ton truck is around 2700. Once you add hitch, gear options and passengers, then add 2600 lb ffifth wheel pin, the truck is overloaded.
My opinion is that best truck choice for fifth wheel towing is 1 ton SRW or dually. SRW 1 ton will provide 700 to 1000 additional payload capacity than a 3/4 ton (2500/250 series).
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Old 01-30-2016, 01:56 PM   #12
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Not sure where this is going, but GVWR is just the truck, and GCWR is the rating of the truck and trailer. My 2500 has a 5th wheel rating to tow 15,800 lbs of trailer. You still have to be concerned with the load from the pin, and weight of hitch, cargo, and passengers.
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Old 01-30-2016, 03:15 PM   #13
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Not sure where this is going, but GVWR is just the truck, and GCWR is the rating of the truck and trailer. My 2500 has a 5th wheel rating to tow 15,800 lbs of trailer. You still have to be concerned with the load from the pin, and weight of hitch, cargo, and passengers.
But as you well know, that 15000 pound trailer has a pin weight between 3,000 and 3,600 pounds and even though the truck is capable of towing the 15,000 pounds it isn't capable of hauling the 3,000+ pounds of pin weight.

It's specs like this that get people into trouble buying these trucks that just can't haul the load that they wish to pull.

I know you're aware of this, but from the looks of things the original poster isn't.
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Old 01-30-2016, 04:39 PM   #14
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most 2500's are not even close to 2700 lb payload capacity, especially diesel versions. I fully admit some are, like gassers, or non crew cabs with plain jane options. The reason is most are crew cabs, almost nobody gets a truck with zero options, etc. On my comparable ram 3500 vs ram 2500, the payload was 4200 lbs for the 3500 and 1900 lbs for the 2500. The decision is a no brainer. I honestly wonder why they even bother selling 2500's unless people in certain states are trying to avoid CDL restrictions. They are in many cases a useless asset unless you really want to watch your weight or just look the other way on the rating.

I also feel the 2500 is capable of much more than it is rated because of the stupid 10,000 lb GVWR most have. That being said I am a firm believer you should follow the law and others advice here not to exceed limits for legal reasons.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most 2500's are not even close to 2700 lb payload capacity, especially diesel versions. I fully admit some are, like gassers, or non crew cabs with plain jane options. The reason is most are crew cabs, almost nobody gets a truck with zero options, etc. On my comparable ram 3500 vs ram 2500, the payload was 4200 lbs for the 3500 and 1900 lbs for the 2500. The decision is a no brainer. I honestly wonder why they even bother selling 2500's unless people in certain states are trying to avoid CDL restrictions. They are in many cases a useless asset unless you really want to watch your weight or just look the other way on the rating.

I also feel the 2500 is capable of much more than it is rated because of the stupid 10,000 lb GVWR most have. That being said I am a firm believer you should follow the law and others advice here not to exceed limits for legal reasons.
My 2011 Duramax crew cab LT weighed in at 7400 with my wife and I, 5th wheel hitch, and a full tank of fuel. That gave me a 2600 lb payload capacity for a 5er. If the OP is correct on the pin weight numbers of the 5th wheel he is wanting to tow, he would be well within a 2500 Duramax numbers. He would have even more capacity with a gas truck, but I personally wouldn't tow that much weight with a gaser again. As for the 1500, in a word, NO.
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Most 3/4's seem to have around 2400-2600 payload (with diesel) and 1t srw about 4000-4200. My ram 3500 srw has 4074. I have seen a few people towing fifths with half tons but I wouldn't do it.


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The max I see with a 3.42 double cab is 9500lb towing capacity.
OP has the 6.2L, 3.42 NHT which is 11,900. The 6.2L max trailer comes with 3.42. If you go with the 5.3L you can get 3.73's.

Still won't work for a fifth wheel of this size though.
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Old 02-03-2016, 09:01 PM   #18
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Yes, a 1500 can tow and carry a 5th wheel, JUST NOT that one!!!

Yello placard drivers door, payload figure minus what ever you add to the truck, likely need about 1,000# pin or less..
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Old 02-12-2016, 03:11 PM   #19
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Here is a great page to figure what your truck can tow. You will need the payload number off you yellow tag on the door jam. Go to the heading of "" Working Backwords Using Available Payload" enter the payload off the sticker and estimate the rest of weights.

http://www.towingplanner.com/
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Yes, a 1500 can tow and carry a 5th wheel, JUST NOT that one!!!

Yello placard drivers door, payload figure minus what ever you add to the truck, likely need about 1,000# pin or less..
That site says it all when you use honest numbers working backward wwith yellow sticker payload rating.
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