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Old 07-15-2021, 04:11 PM   #1
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Ram wheel torque recall

So, all of us with the DRW “flanged” lug nut on 2012-2021 Ram 3500’s have an over torque recall on the lug nuts.

It”s taken a few calls but I finally got an answer and the new torque value is

129 lb.ft. For FLANGED nuts. Coned are still 130 lb. ft..

I had my rears off to install mud flaps and originally torqued them to 130, then thought I’d check the book as may I had torqued them light. Book says 140. Seems very reasonable so I retorqued to 140.

Not sure about 11 lbs. of torque causing lug stud failures, and to me 140 seems viable for the flanged.

Anyway, the information on the new torque spec wasn’t easy to come by so I thought I’d throw it out there for other owners.

A 14mm lug stud should be easily able to handle 140 and I’m leaving mine.

Just FYI.

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Old 07-16-2021, 05:24 AM   #2
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I’m not certain that even engineers at NASA have torque wrenches that can be accurate between 130 and 129 pounds!
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Old 07-16-2021, 07:57 AM   #3
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I’m not certain that even engineers at NASA have torque wrenches that can be accurate between 130 and 129 pounds!
Talk about splitting hairs!
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Old 07-16-2021, 08:06 AM   #4
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I’m not certain that even engineers at NASA have torque wrenches that can be accurate between 130 and 129 pounds!
I'm guessing when the Air Force handed over the Roswell stuff ghey gave them a capable torque wrench.When you reverse engineer you have to record the torque it takes to remove a fastner to know jow much to tighten it.
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Old 07-16-2021, 08:41 AM   #5
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I can't remember ever seeing a "torque requirement" specified with no tolerance allowed.....

Most torque requirements are specified these ways:

85 ftlb +/- 5 ftlb or 85 ftlb +/- 10 ftlb (if a wider tolerance is allowed)
85 ftlb +/- 4%
85 ftlb (with no tolerance, but it's understood that the "applicable engineering tolerance" is allowed)

I've never seen any torque requirement, not even on airplanes and missiles that does not have a tolerance built into the requirement.

In the Air Force, torque wrenches are tested and certified by a Precision Measurement/Equipment Lab (PMEL). They test torque wrenches under strict temperature/humidity conditions and then certify them to be "within acceptable tolerance".

As an example, this link is to the USAF Technical Order that establishes the Air Force policy on torque. https://www.robins.af.mil/Portals/59...14-3-1-101.pdf

If you go to table 5-1, you'll find an entry for 9/16 18 thread bolts. When torquing a "tension type nut" on that bolt, there is a "required specific torque".

It is expressed in the Tech Order as "800-1000 inch pounds". That can also be expressed as either 900 +/- 100 inch pounds or as 900 +/- 11%.

In some applications where the design engineers "prefer slightly more torque in a given application" they may express the specific torque for that bolt in another fashion, such as 950 +50/-0. Although this type of torque is usually only found in extremely critical components and CERTAINLY not on something like truck lug nuts.

I can't ever recall seeing a torque requirement without a tolerance and if it were to be expressed as such, where would you find a torque wrench calibrated to such exacting standards? As Jim noted, even NASA doesn't have torque wrenches calibrated that precisely.
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Old 07-16-2021, 09:47 AM   #6
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Well I know that my OM states 140# for my lugs. Well to me
129# sounds light, but be interesting to see how they handle other than scratching out the 140# in the OM and writing 129#.
Maybe they will just tack wield the lugs like the steering link!
Will they be replacing all 32 lugs, if the torque was listed wrong??
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Old 07-16-2021, 03:17 PM   #7
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Well I know that my OM states 140# for my lugs. Well to me
129# sounds light, but be interesting to see how they handle other than scratching out the 140# in the OM and writing 129#.
Maybe they will just tack wield the lugs like the steering link!
Will they be replacing all 32 lugs, if the torque was listed wrong??
Yeah they say they will replace the lugs and put a sticker in the book with the correct torque spec.

I will leave mine at 140 as well.

Also I went through all the torque wrench stuff as John in the Air Force and to add to his facts torque wrenches will have at least 30% of their range out of spec so we had wrenches calibrated to the lower 30% of range or upper so yeah I’m really not sure what they’re doing here.

My guess is some guy put a “cheater” on his ratchet or breaker bar and REALLY “torqued” them. Who knows.

With MY (not calibrated wrench in 25 years) snap on torque wrench…

YMMV…….

Also NO parts available until?? They said third quarter.

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So, all of us with the DRW “flanged” lug nut on 2012-2021 Ram 3500’s have an over torque recall on the lug nuts.

It”s taken a few calls but I finally got an answer and the new torque value is

129 lb.ft. For FLANGED nuts. Coned are still 130 lb. ft..

I had my rears off to install mud flaps and originally torqued them to 130, then thought I’d check the book as may I had torqued them light. Book says 140. Seems very reasonable so I retorqued to 140.

Not sure about 11 lbs. of torque causing lug stud failures, and to me 140 seems viable for the flanged.

Anyway, the information on the new torque spec wasn’t easy to come by so I thought I’d throw it out there for other owners.

A 14mm lug stud should be easily able to handle 140 and I’m leaving mine.

Just FYI.

Scott
So my truck is in my sig, but if you are not running the stock rims and lug nuts anymore, does the recall matter?

Also, what are they fixing in the recall? The studs or just giving you new lugs?
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So my truck is in my sig, but if you are not running the stock rims and lug nuts anymore, does the recall matter?

Also, what are they fixing in the recall? The studs or just giving you new lugs?
I believe they will replace the studs when parts become available. As far as aftermarket……not sure.

Anyway I’m still not buying to the 140 lb ft torque being too much.

A class 8.8 will take 160 and a class 10.9 will take 215 and I’m pretty sure these are class 12.9.

Still waiting for for info myself..

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I believe they will replace the studs when parts become available. As far as aftermarket……not sure.

Anyway I’m still not buying to the 140 lb ft torque being too much.

A class 8.8 will take 160 and a class 10.9 will take 215 and I’m pretty sure these are class 12.9.

Still waiting for for info myself..

Scott
Well, I am still using the original studs so maybe I’ll have to keep an eye on this one.

If you get any additional info please pass along.
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Well, I am still using the original studs so maybe I’ll have to keep an eye on this one.

If you get any additional info please pass along.
Yeah I’m not slowing down either. Just checked my Mopar app and parts are still not available.
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Yeah I’m not slowing down either. Just checked my Mopar app and parts are still not available.
Me either.

I see you have a 2021. Do any of your fog lights get moisture build-up on the inside? My passenger fog light gets condensation on the inside cover.
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Me either.

I see you have a 2021. Do any of your fog lights get moisture build-up on the inside? My passenger fog light gets condensation on the inside cover.
Nope nothin yet and it has been through a couple good storms and multiple wash and waxes.
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Me either.

I see you have a 2021. Do any of your fog lights get moisture build-up on the inside? My passenger fog light gets condensation on the inside cover.
Also mine is a Bighorn and has the halogen lights. Nothing LED on the front.

I did however change all the bulbs (to bright LED) first thing after I got it home. I prefer this lighting package over the Ram factory LED package.

Maybe that’s the difference or you have a bad oring on that one that’s getting moisture in it.
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Also mine is a Bighorn and has the halogen lights. Nothing LED on the front.

I did however change all the bulbs (to bright LED) first thing after I got it home. I prefer this lighting package over the Ram factory LED package.

Maybe that’s the difference or you have a bad print on the blob on that one that’s getting moisture in it.
Well that’s good to hear. I’ll have my dealer look at it.
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