Anyone towing raptor with 3/4 truck?

[jjboyz1]

My TV is a 2013 Ram 2500 Cummins, added air bags and have no problems towing my 2013 Raptor 395, pin weight 3650. Have towed one way 800 miles and the Ram didn't even blink. SWD pulls great and wouldn't trade it for nothing. No swag no fish tailing just straight down the road.

[Javi]

Originally Posted by jjboyz1

My TV is a 2013 Ram 2500 Cummins, added air bags and have no problems towing my 2013 Raptor 395, pin weight 3650. Have towed one way 800 miles and the Ram didn't even blink. SWD pulls great and wouldn't trade it for nothing. No swag no fish tailing just straight down the road.

Out of curiosity... what tires are you running on that truck?

[ncbound123]

I have a Fuzion 395 with a pin weight of 3,200 pounds and pull it with our 09' Ram 2500 with a set of Firestone air bags as well. We live in the southeast and our trips are mostly within 4 hours of home base. If we were to travel out west then we would upgrade to a DRW truck just to easy my mind. However with our current setup there is no wagging or anything, rock solid down the road. I know that we are at the limits of our current TV and with that in mind I take it easy, always leave room ahead of us and keep an eye on the idiots around me. The biggest help with our current setup is the factory engine brake, it takes over on decel and except for an emergency stop condition I hardly have to apply much brake. The tires I am running are Michelin LTX A/T2. I have the size on the truck of LT265/70R17/E 121 R. I check my tires everytime and have them inflated to the proper specs. These have a load rating of 3195@80 psi. The key to anything is safety, and even though we are pushing the limits, we are within MY comfort zone.

[Desert185]

There was a date range in the Rams when they went from a 265/75R16E (3415#) to 265/70R17E (3195#) tire. This never made sense to me.

For reference, later years changed wheel/tire sizes again. When towing, tire load rating seems to be an important consideration, I think.

285/75R16E 3750#
275/70R18E 3640#
275/65R20E 3750#

The larger wheel sizes happened around the time Dodge stopped using Dana axles. You'll notice they also went to higher ratio diffs at the same time to handle the larger diameter tires.

Lots to consider in the GW equation...

[jjboyz1]

Originally Posted by Javi

Out of curiosity... what tires are you running on that truck?

Firestone 17", original tire that came on the truck

[tnraptor]

2012 f250 4x4 four door lariat.
06 raptor 3712 toyhauler
kansas bow hunter.
pickwick lake is home though.

[rnkburg]

How did the ford do with the trailer.


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[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by jjboyz1

My TV is a 2013 Ram 2500 Cummins, added air bags and have no problems towing my 2013 Raptor 395, pin weight 3650. Have towed one way 800 miles and the Ram didn't even blink. SWD pulls great and wouldn't trade it for nothing. No swag no fish tailing just straight down the road.

Originally Posted by Desert185

There was a date range in the Rams when they went from a 265/75R16E (3415#) to 265/70R17E (3195#) tire. This never made sense to me.

For reference, later years changed wheel/tire sizes again. When towing, tire load rating seems to be an important consideration, I think.

285/75R16E 3750#
275/70R18E 3640#
275/65R20E 3750#

The larger wheel sizes happened around the time Dodge stopped using Dana axles. You'll notice they also went to higher ratio diffs at the same time to handle the larger diameter tires.

Lots to consider in the GW equation...

Exactly why I didn't "Upgrade" from my stock 265/75-16E's to to 265/70-17's due to the loss of 220# per tire of weight capacity.
The max the tires on the rear axle can carry is 6,390# with the 265 17". Meaning if Jjboyz1 has a pin of 3650 his empty rear axle needs to be less than 2740, way too close for me.

[jjboyz1]

My rear GAWR is 6200# with tire size 265/70R/17E with all the numbers everyone is crunching, I have towed my toy hauler for 2 years and about 15000 miles and my Ram hasn't missed a beat. I service it ever 6 months and have Dodge check it out completely never had an issue. So I'm happy

[Desert185]

Like many designs there is more than likely a design exceedance factor. What that limit is, I don't know, but going near or over it a bit (technical term) more than likely will result in nothing more serious than comments from the payload police.

[tnraptor]

The Ford did fine!! Was absolutely impressed with the way it handled the fifth wheel. The air bags are lil bit low in pic above but finding exact pressure to run is key. I had everything in the toy hauler and 46# air in bags 80# trailer tires 80# in truck tires Toyo at2 20in wheels I run 80mph at times with it but on interstate I set her on 70mph and cruised all the way from TN on Alabama line to Wichita KS no problem what so ever. I did touch my cab barely turning somewhere I never knew it until I got there. I'm glad I didn't get dually for sure! I'm sure dually would be better in windy conditions and all around but I could stop that camper no problem the brakes and transmission on new ford plus camper having 3 axles it stops very well.

2012 f250 4x4 four door lariat.
06 raptor 3712 toyhauler
kansas bow hunter.
pickwick lake is home though.

[Randy_K]

Originally Posted by tnraptor

The Ford did fine!! Was absolutely impressed with the way it handled the fifth wheel. The air bags are lil bit low in pic above but finding exact pressure to run is key. I had everything in the toy hauler and 46# air in bags 80# trailer tires 80# in truck tires Toyo at2 20in wheels I run 80mph at times with it but on interstate I set her on 70mph and cruised all the way from TN on Alabama line to Wichita KS no problem what so ever. I did touch my cab barely turning somewhere I never knew it until I got there. I'm glad I didn't get dually for sure! I'm sure dually would be better in windy conditions and all around but I could stop that camper no problem the brakes and transmission on new ford plus camper having 3 axles it stops very well.

2012 f250 4x4 four door lariat.
06 raptor 3712 toyhauler
kansas bow hunter.
pickwick lake is home though.

You should not be on the road. I hope its not some other family you kill.

[tnraptor]

Wow that's lil bit rude! Truck did fine pulling IMO! Hwy 55mph no problem very good interstates 70mph rough interstate 65mph windy day 55mph I honestly felt safe pulling the camper and was very impressed in how it handled. I actually saw a guy with same setup as me pulling a 16ft boat behind his camper. While I wouldn't do that I wouldn't hesitate to go anywhere with my rig.

2012 f250 4x4 four door lariat.
06 raptor 3712 toyhauler
kansas bow hunter.
pickwick lake is home though.

[jsmith948]

Originally Posted by Randy_K

You should not be on the road. I hope its not some other family you kill.

X2!!!!!!!! 80 MPH.....is just crazy/reckless ....JMHO

[2014301ktmhauler]

Really????

I don't tow 80 mph but I have seen briefly getting past some peeps for multiple reasons. The rig felt pretty much the same as 65-70 mph.
80 mph does not equal killing families any more than some non driver towing 65mph .
Please no dissertations on the stopping differences 80vs.65, I am well aware.

Happy New Year.

[larry337]

Originally Posted by tnraptor

Wow that's lil bit rude! Truck did fine pulling IMO! Hwy 55mph no problem very good interstates 70mph rough interstate 65mph windy day 55mph I honestly felt safe pulling the camper and was very impressed in how it handled. I actually saw a guy with same setup as me pulling a 16ft boat behind his camper. While I wouldn't do that I wouldn't hesitate to go anywhere with my rig.

2012 f250 4x4 four door lariat.
06 raptor 3712 toyhauler
kansas bow hunter.
pickwick lake is home though.

I'll try not to be overly critical. Just try to understand a couple things. A typical F250 diesel has a max payload of approximately 2500lbs. With a 3-3500lb pin weight, fuel, cargo, and passengers you are way over this. Also keep in mind trailer tires are speed rated to only 65mph. So when you boast of 80mph its going to rub some people the wrong way. Your trailer should be pulled by a 1 ton truck but if you're going to do it with a 3/4 it would make sense to use some caution and slow down. Please don't keep telling us how it "feels" so solid. Lots of people here have towed trailers of all sizes for many years. Those ratings on your truck and tires are there for a reason. I know you're going to do what you want, just don't be surprised when others aren't impressed. Again, not beating on you, just trying to get you to take a different perspective.

[notanlines]

Most dealers I have dealt with wouldn't let you tow it off the lot.

[x96mnn]

Originally Posted by notanlines

Most dealers I have dealt with wouldn't let you tow it off the lot.

LOL, most dealers I have dealt this would have sold it to a guy with a halfton.

To the OP, glad your happy with it and hope you have many years of camping. Not something that I think I would want to do let alone a short burst of 80mph but to each their own. As long as you keep it on your side of the road I will try to do the same.

Take care and safe travels.

Actually I may have done something along this lines, towing a 27ft TT with a Jeep Liberty for a season...my experiance was not fine to say the least lol. Might be why I went DRW.

[jtyphoid]

There was, and may still be a lot of discussion about the difference between the F250 and F350 on a Ford Diesel forum that I used to follow. There was quite a bit of payload capacity difference between the two back in '08 with little, if any, difference in parts.

Although I'm personally a firm believer in staying under the manufacturer's ratings, to the point that I moved up from an F350 SRW to a DRW, the OP may not be as far outside the box as it appears on the surface.

[Javi]

Originally Posted by jtyphoid

There was, and may still be a lot of discussion about the difference between the F250 and F350 on a Ford Diesel forum that I used to follow. There was quite a bit of payload capacity difference between the two back in '08 with little, if any, difference in parts.

Although I'm personally a firm believer in staying under the manufacturer's ratings, to the point that I moved up from an F350 SRW to a DRW, the OP may not be as far outside the box as it appears on the surface.

He would be pushing the upper limits of an '11 - '15 F350 SRW that trailer is in dually territory..
I quit commenting awhile back because sometimes you just got to ignore some things you read on the internet... And sometimes you just got to shake your head at the dumb XXXX some folks will do.

I hang around a bowhunting forum where hardly a day goes by that someone isn't ranting about the folks that won't get out of his way cause he's pedal to the metal running 95-110mph and can't understand the audacity of those who are going slower in the left lane while passing yet another slower vehicle.

I lost a daughter and grandson to just such an individual going more than 30mph above the posted speed limit in a large truck.. So I generally stay out of the discussion when the bragging about how fast they run starts..