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Old 05-08-2019, 04:38 PM   #21
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Dave W.,

Hello Again!
I forgot to ask in my "novel" above, but the rollers that you had returned, was the nylon very hard like nylon caster wheels?
Do you think that I could remove the nylon roll and turn the OD down in a lathe to recover some height?

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Old 05-09-2019, 04:32 AM   #22
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Has anyone seen this video of roller install....

We experienced some slide chattering at the end of last season and I'm thinking this is the solution I may try if it persists after lubricating things this spring with Silicon w/ Teflon (PTFE).

Roller Link per video: https://store.lci1.com/j-36-service-roller

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Old 05-09-2019, 10:35 AM   #23
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Got the rollers yesterday - and they will be returned. The rollers woild stand 1-1/8" from the frame vs 1/2". I could quite probably stand another 1/4" but not 5/8".

Back to the srawing board and probably use the 'improved' OEM wear bar
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Were these the J36 rollers that were too large or a different model #?
I found this cut sheet on RVUpgrades site (Not on Lipperts site that I could find??).
I see my Darco is beginning to fray in a couple of spots underneath the slide. I'd like to replace this wear bar with rollers and possibly a sheet of thin aluminum under the whole slide.
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Old 05-09-2019, 01:14 PM   #24
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Has anyone seen this video of roller install....

We experienced some slide chattering at the end of last season and I'm thinking this is the solution I may try if it persists after lubricating things this spring with Silicon w/ Teflon (PTFE).

Roller Link per video: https://store.lci1.com/j-36-service-roller


That is the video from post #5 and what DaveW tried to do I believe and the rollers didn't work. You might read back thru the thread to see how it went.
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Old 05-09-2019, 01:26 PM   #25
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That is the video from post #5 and what DaveW tried to do I believe and the rollers didn't work. You might read back thru the thread to see how it went.
I had read through the entire thread, but must have missed the video.... my apologies.

I did recall reading that he didn't care for the added height, but don't remember reading if it actually & physically worked or not for those that simply wanted a "roller'ed" solution. I'll go back and read it more thoroughly.

Sure would be nice to see a recall on this p@ss pore design!
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Old 05-09-2019, 01:27 PM   #26
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Dave,
Were these the J36 rollers that were too large or a different model #?
I found this cut sheet on RVUpgrades site (Not on Lipperts site that I could find??).
I see my Darco is beginning to fray in a couple of spots underneath the slide. I'd like to replace this wear bar with rollers and possibly a sheet of thin aluminum under the whole slide.

Camp, Dave can verify but I do believe he said the rollers were too "high". Looking at your diagram it shows that the roller is 1 1/16" "tall" (if I can read it correctly). I don't know about Dave's situation but that would be too tall for mine too I would guess. Looks like my wear bar is approx. 1/2" tall.

If your Darco is starting to fray (mine was) you need to get something to get it off the wear bar. I used uhmw strips installed by the dealership and my chattering issues completely disappeared for a couple of years returning (slightly) on one slide this rear returning from FL. I'm sure a good cleaning will fix it. It did however completely stop any further wear on the Darco. When I discussed a cure for the problem with the service manager we discussed aluminum sheets and he recommended the uhmw instead. There may be some information on using the aluminum for that kind of application - I have not looked.
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Old 05-09-2019, 01:36 PM   #27
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I used uhmw strips installed by the dealership and my chattering issues completely disappeared for a couple of years returning (slightly) on one slide this rear returning from FL. I'm sure a good cleaning will fix it. It did however completely stop any further wear on the Darco.
How thick and how did they attach the UHMW poly strips?
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:06 PM   #28
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The darco on both ends of my kitchen slide was fraying and tearing on one side Also, slideout was getting "hung up" on the torn side when extending.

Jacked up end of slide and found screw holding slide bar had worked it's way out tearing darco.

I found 1/8 x 1 UMHW adhesive tape:
https://www.eplastics.com/accessorie...60X-1-000X25FT

Applied it to both ends of slide, works great.
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Old 05-09-2019, 02:56 PM   #29
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How thick and how did they attach the UHMW poly strips?

1/8" thick poly. They bought it by the sheet and cut 12" wide strips the depth of the slide. Attached with adhesive (don't remember which brand) and 3 counter sunk screws at the outside edge outside the wear bar to stop or minimize "wiggle". So far so good.

The Darco was frayed pretty badly on the edges but appeared that the "wear" extended in a few inches. Also appeared that the damage was due to what apparently was a bowed floor on each of the big slides. How? I have no idea.
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:41 AM   #30
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Thanks Folks,
I'm surprised that no thin rollers are available to replace these wear bars. Darco sliding on plastic is a ridiculous design. I was shocked to learn this was how my slide worked. There are many industries using thin rollers. Just need to find one that fits. If I ever do I'll share the info.
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Old 05-10-2019, 08:24 AM   #31
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In my rig, the "wear bar" is made with UMHW, which is very strong, smooth, slick, and slippery. It really does not "wear". The darco is also slippery, so the two sliding on each other provides a pretty slick surface. Problem is the darco will eventually fray causing slide issues. UMHW sliding on UMHW is very slick and provides little resistance.

Although I'm not a plastic engineer, my guess is that UMHW sliding on UMHW would provide less resistance than rollers on darco.
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Old 05-10-2019, 09:49 AM   #32
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Great point. I guess it makes sense that the wear bar should be UHMW Poly. I'll have to look at mine again, it did not appear to be UHMW at first look. I guess the UHMW tape with a few countersunk screws is really the easiest repair.
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Old 05-10-2019, 12:34 PM   #33
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I ended up doing this mod to my 2018 Cougar 22RBS. Found these 4' deck drain brackets at Lowes and took a 2" flat aluminum piece to trim it up better. The original trim strip is not wide enough and wasn't even screwed into anything except the thin sidewall of the slide, they missed the wall frame with 95% of the screws. After it all settled in good I covered it with a strip of eternabond.

So far it's working fine.
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Old 05-16-2019, 12:21 PM   #34
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Not sure this is of any use for you but this is an excellent video of adding rollers the easy way. As long as you have the room above you slide, you can add the rollers with a little effort and minimal cost.
https://youtu.be/HgGEWmeojN0

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Old 05-31-2019, 08:22 AM   #35
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added 3 rollers to my kitchen slide and my big couch slide. Had to make mounting tabs and weld them to bracket to reach good metal to screw them to. My floor has a little step where the original holes were at. Was able to move the existing seal up about a 1/4" to reseal and used the seal off the removed piece to seal over rollers. second slide took about 20-25 minutes to do.
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Old 06-27-2019, 06:05 PM   #36
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Hi, just bought a 2017 27RKS and the rubber seal under the main slide has split along the length. I suspect this is part of the wear strip that you are talking about. Just wondering if you had any luck changing this out and did you add the rollers?
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added 3 rollers to my kitchen slide and my big couch slide. Had to make mounting tabs and weld them to bracket to reach good metal to screw them to. My floor has a little step where the original holes were at. Was able to move the existing seal up about a 1/4" to reseal and used the seal off the removed piece to seal over rollers. second slide took about 20-25 minutes to do.
Just wondering if we could get an update on this repair? How it's working after some time and if you had any difficulties with either the height of the slide or a bigger gap under the slide between the floor and slide? Did you really need to extend the bracket? Trying to decide if I want to get another wear bar or add these rollers... I currently have my slide room out replacing the floor and going from the 5/8" they had to 3/4" so I'm already going to be taller.
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Old 09-27-2020, 11:47 AM   #38
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Thumbs up BAL slide out roller part available

Hey just letting everyone who has this issue and wants to go with rollers BAL makes rollers for the Accu slide
BAL is the accu slide manufacturer Owned by Norco

You’ll need to measure your wear bar because they have 2 size wear bars the used ...1/2 “ and 3/4”
Bal roller part number
1/2” 854304
3/4” 854303
Price was about 9.00 per rollers I got 6 for my 12’ slide

I know because am dealing with this issue now and called Bal tech support and thet told me I could get rollers to upgrade and these rollers can be ordered from colaw rv in mo. (Ask for Josh, really knows his stuff)
They probably have them in stock but If not Josh will drop ship from Bal to you. He had 4 in stock when I was ordering but I needed more so he drop shipped them to me I got them 3 days later
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Hey just letting everyone who has this issue and wants to go with rollers BAL makes rollers for the Accu slide
BAL is the accu slide manufacturer Owned by Norco

You’ll need to measure your wear bar because they have 2 size wear bars the used ...1/2 “ and 3/4”
Bal roller part number
1/2” 854304
3/4” 854303
Price was about 9.00 per rollers I got 6 for my 12’ slide

I know because am dealing with this issue now and called Bal tech support and thet told me I could get rollers to upgrade and these rollers can be ordered from colaw rv in mo. (Ask for Josh, really knows his stuff)
They probably have them in stock but If not Josh will drop ship from Bal to you. He had 4 in stock when I was ordering but I needed more so he drop shipped them to me I got them 3 days later

I had a similar experience talking to BAL and Colaw RV. Colaw's Tech also stated when they install the BAL rollers they also install a product called a "Slide Out Ski" to protect the Darco fabric from further damage. So I ordered both products. The BAL rollers can only be purchased through a RV dealer, I bought the skis through Amazon. Less than $200 for both.

The skis are similar to the fix Steveo57 came up with but are made specifically to address the sticking slide out issue. The Skis arrived first so I installed them in about 2 hours and found the slides now move like new without the rollers. This also covers the holes worn in the Darco to prevent water penetration in the bottom of the slide.

I will keep the rollers when they arrive and monitor the skis for any excessive wear. If needed, I'll install them in the future. IMO this design combination of wear bars and Darco fabric is defective and I am very disappointed that Keystone hasn't come up with a better system. This problem has been around for years.


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Old 12-28-2020, 02:22 PM   #40
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I know this an older one but just went through this with my 2012 Passport 3220BWHE. The extra rollers are not and option for my trailer because of how it is setup.
Here is my story.
Well this summer my main slide started chattering and hanging up. Would shake the whole trailer. Finally had some down time to look at it. I have these weird compression rollers on this slide. Only two. When the slide gets to end of travel outbound it sinks down, the rollers help push it up going in. They were bad, replaced them. No change. So the I adjusted the cables no change. I figured it was the wear bar/glide rail or the Darco on the bottom of the slide. So I called the dealer 4000 to 5000 dollars to replace the tray with the rollers and wear bar. Locally it was 3000 to 4000. Well I wanted to try something before throwing in the towel and trading in a paid for, no leaks, recently sealed, wheel bearings packed, everything works travel trailer.
So in comes the UHMW (Ultra High Molecular Weight Plastic). We use this stuff a lot at work. It has great lubrication and anti-abrasion properties. I had to jack up the slide so it was up off the wear bar. In order to get sheets between the wear bar/glide rail and the bottom of the slide.
I put three strips of on the bottom of the slide. 1/4 inch think, buy 39 inches long, the two strips on the ends are 8 inches wide. The one in the middle 10 inches wide. I attached it with 3/4 inch countersunk pan head screws. It raised the slide about a 1/4 of an inch so I didn't have to adjust anything. Tons of clearance. SUCCESS!!! Thing operates better than it did when it was new.





My wear bar and roller tray. There is nothing to attach the roller to and not enough space.
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