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Old 02-16-2013, 03:11 PM   #1
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Towing Question

I have a 2007 Toyota Tundra 5.7 engine. I own a 2005 Keystone Everest 293P. Dry weight is 9640lbs. I'm asuming loaded it will weigh 11-12k. Is it safety to tow or do I need to look into a larger truck?
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Old 02-16-2013, 03:29 PM   #2
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Personally, I would think you are in 3/4 ton truck territory. What is the hitch weight compared to the truck's load rating? You would also have to factor in the weight of the hitch, any gear, and passengers.

When we bought our Cougar, that weighs over 9,100lbs empty, the sales manager specifically asked what we were bringing to tow it with. When I said an F-250, he breathed a sigh of relief. He said that some people have brought 150s or 1500s, expecting to be able to tow these things.

I could be mistaken on your truck. Others should be responding soon.
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Old 02-16-2013, 03:38 PM   #3
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If you are assuming 11-12K loaded, you are already close to the max of 10,000 lbs. Figuring 13% of that for tongue weight, added to the weight of passengers and payload, you are above all of the ratings, and probably also the rear axle rating. You need to get out your owners manual, read some specs and start crunching numbers. No one here is going to recommend that you go out and do something unsafe.
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Old 02-16-2013, 11:26 PM   #4
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The Everest 293P is a full-sized 5th wheel, and well-beyond the capacities of your current truck.
The dry hitch weight (approx 2,375 lbs) will likely be in the 2700++ lb range once loaded to travel.

The following specs are for a 2007, but I'm sure the 2005 is 'similar'.

293P Specs (2007)
Dry/Shipping Weight 9,910 lbs
Carrying Capacity 2,790 lbs
Dry Hitch 2,375 lbs
Length 32' 10"
GVWR 12,700 lbs

http://media.rvusa.com/library/07_Everest_FW.pdf


Look for another truck!! Most likely a 350/3500 SRW, with a 'minimum' available payload for the loaded
pin weight, plus passengers, plus any cargo & a 5th wheel hitch.

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Old 02-17-2013, 07:09 AM   #5
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Like Roy Scheider said in Jaws, " We're gonna' need a bigger boat".
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Old 02-17-2013, 08:01 AM   #6
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I agree with the other poster have said I also like to deal in facts and what the manufactures rate their vehicles to tow and carry as far as payload. So I tend to use published data from either Trailer Life Towing Guide or the manufacture website if available.

So I would check out this link for your tow vehicle and see what is published for your vehicle.
http://www.trailerlife.com/trailer-towing-guides/

Now another area of concerned is your tires on the truck are these P metric tires or LT tires and what are they rated for as far as load carrying capacity at XX PSI cold inflation pressure? Tires and rim capacities will affect what you can tow safely and are often over looked by new owners of trailers when towing.

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Old 02-17-2013, 08:07 AM   #7
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One of the tow vehicles I have is a 2003 Ford Excursion, I beleive it has a GVWR of 11,000 lbs. With a V-10 gasser. The Excursion is on a 3/4 ton platform hpoe it helps. whats your GVWR ??
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:20 AM   #8
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Like Roy Scheider said in Jaws, " We're gonna' need a bigger boat".
Yep you sure are, that is basically what I with my 2001 Ram 2500 Cummins 5.9. You will be over all ratings and flirting with danger.
While I am over my GVWR I am still 1,000# under rear axle rating and 500# on the front axle, Camper Special no air bags.

That is truly a full size and weight 5er, your truck while nice is not built to pull that fiver.


There and several 2500/250 that will and a 3500/350 for sure, both gas and diesel that would be your choice.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:34 AM   #9
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That fiver has 1 ton srw or dually written all over it. The pin weight will likely exceed gvwr of any 3/4 ton and definitely is far beyond the abilities of any half ton.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:34 AM   #10
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I agree, I think just the pin weight of the empty trailer will exceed the trucks payload capacity. And, I'm a Tundra fan and tow with one. My trailer is an Outback 277RL, and loaded, is all I care to pull with my truck. "A man's gotta know his(and his truck's) limitations.
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Old 02-18-2013, 10:42 AM   #11
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Even though that trailer at 20% pin weight 11500 x 20% = 2300 lbs would not put me over my payload (2690) on my F-250 I still wouldn't want to pull that trailer with it.. That trailer is in dually land... as far as I'm concerned.
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The only payload rating I could find for the '07 Tundra is 1,700#. Current payload for the '13's is about 2,090 per the Toyota website.

With a pin weight in excess of 2,300#, it's obvious that this is a bad combination. Time for a bigger truck.
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Old 02-18-2013, 11:50 PM   #13
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That fiver has 1 ton srw or dually written all over it. The pin weight will likely exceed gvwr of any 3/4 ton and definitely is far beyond the abilities of any half ton.
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Even though that trailer at 20% pin weight 11500 x 20% = 2300 lbs would not put me over my payload (2690) on my F-250 I still wouldn't want to pull that trailer with it.. That trailer is in dually land... as far as I'm concerned.
I would disagree that is dually territory, my wet pin loaded to 11,000#+, with a lot of Stuff, ready to go at the drop of a hat is about 2,300#. Yep over GVWR, but well under both axle ratings, and it tows like a dream. Keep in mind that my 2500 Camper special is truly a one ton SRW, package included one ton springs, sway bar, and 265/75 16E tires not the stock 245/75 16E tires.
Pictured below loaded, and this is on the stock Camper special suspension No Air Bags!

Sorry, very nice 5er, we love ours, but also have a truck big enough to carry it. either get a new 3/4 Max payload, or a recent one ton SRW.



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I would disagree that is dually territory, my wet pin loaded to 11,000#+, with a lot of Stuff, ready to go at the drop of a hat is about 2,300#. Yep over GVWR, but well under both axle ratings, and it tows like a dream. Keep in mind that my 2500 Camper special is truly a one ton SRW, package included one ton springs, sway bar, and 265/75 16E tires not the stock 245/75 16E tires.
Pictured below loaded, and this is on the stock Camper special suspension No Air Bags!

Sorry, very nice 5er, we love ours, but also have a truck big enough to carry it. either get a new 3/4 Max payload, or a recent one ton SRW.
I'm a big fan of dually pickups for hauling heavy, flat sided trailers.... spent years driving them everyday and regret my decision to go to SRW... a decision I will remedy in the next year or so... But I was born and raised in Texas and Crew Cab DRW's are the SUV of Texas...
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I'm a big fan of dually pickups for hauling heavy, flat sided trailers.... spent years driving them everyday and regret my decision to go to SRW... a decision I will remedy in the next year or so... But I was born and raised in Texas and Crew Cab DRW's are the SUV of Texas...
I think the difference is TT vs 5er, I don't know what sway is. The trailer doesn't have the same leverage on the truck as with a TT.
Then again I have never pulled with a dually, so I don't know what I am missing. That said 80% of my towing is on narrow, no/narrow shoulder roads to the Oregon Coast, so I need a stable platform, which i have.
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I have a 2007 Toyota Tundra 5.7 engine. I own a 2005 Keystone Everest 293P. Dry weight is 9640lbs. I'm asuming loaded it will weigh 11-12k. Is it safety to tow or do I need to look into a larger truck?
I had 2011 Toyota Tundra and to this day I still brag about how good of a tow vehicle it was but the Tundra was never designed to tow the trailer you have. You will be way over loaded and as good as the 5.7 in the Tundra is it will be struggling to pull that much weight. I think you need, at least, a 3/4-ton and I would be looking at a diesel.
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HI Russ have to agree with you I had the same dodge truck equiped as you do if it was an automatic I would still be towing with it. don't get me wrong I love the newer dually. but i do miss that 2500 dodge! Also that tundra is not a safe choice for that 5er.
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HI Russ have to agree with you I had the same dodge truck equiped as you do if it was an automatic I would still be towing with it. don't get me wrong I love the newer dually. but i do miss that 2500 dodge! Also that tundra is not a safe choice for that 5er.
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That Tundra may look like a big truck, but it doesn't have the heavy duty running gear of a 3/4, ton or one ton.

Axle rating, and tires, semi floating axles, just remember I have basically the same 5er as stated and run a constant 2,300# pin, I don't think the total payload on the Tundra is that much.
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That Tundra may look like a big truck, but it doesn't have the heavy duty running gear of a 3/4, ton or one ton.

Axle rating, and tires, semi floating axles, just remember I have basically the same 5er as stated and run a constant 2,300# pin, I don't think the total payload on the Tundra is that much.
The Tundra is a big truck with almost the same HP & torque as the Ford 6.2&. The brakes and differential are huge and by 1/2 ton standards, it's a stump puller. It pulled my 8000 lb trailer with ease. That said, I did not do a lot of mountain towing, and we were always careful to load everything in the trailer to keep the hitch weight down. It suffers the same issues as any 1/2 ton truck. It's not that hard to manage with a conventional tow trailer, but the pin weight on that fiver and one person would probably put you over the limit on payload. At that point, the issue becomes stopping, not towing. That's why I just traded for a F250. I just didn't want to have to worry about it any more. (Plus, I really like the new Fords)
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