10000 gvwr

[DJOutfitters]

I need some help. I have a 2006 F250 4X4 PSD Crew Cab Long Bed that we use for our tow vehicle. We just purchased a 2014 331mks. I took the trailer and truck to the scales. I have a problem and need some advice.

Combined
Steering Axle 5300# rating 6000#
Drive Axle 5940# rating 6100#
Trailer Axles 8460#
Gross 19700# rating 23000

I think to myself. Looks good so far. Except the GVWR on the truck is 10000#. I'm over by 1240# and the trailer isn't completely loaded. So I'm standing there scratching my head wondering what is going on. So I drop the trailer and go back to the scale.

Truck alone.
Steering axle 5300
Drive axle 3920
Gross 9220

So I'm almost at my GVWR with just the truck. So it looks like I have to empty the 100 gal of diesel out of the tank in the bed and take the 1600K winch off the front of the truck. That will put me close to the outer limits. We have very little in the garage storage area. Thoughts or suggestions?

[Toy Teacher]

Easy More Truck

[Hansel]

Did you go too a CAT scale???

My truck is a F-250 CCSRW non 4X4 and it wieghed in a 6560lbs and my GVWR is 8800lbs, that leaves me over 2K too carry/tow.

Your weight's sound wrong, your less than 800lbs from your GVWR

Here is my truck specs:

Truck by itself:

Steer axle=3780 lbs
Drive axle=2780 lbs

Gross wght= 6560 lbs

[JRTJH]

The F250 is a "strange beast" in that when equipped with a diesel, there's not a "lot" of payload left. If, as you indicate, you add a 100 gallon fuel tank to the bed and install a 16K winch on the front, by the time you put your family and a little cargo in the truck, you're pushing max payload.

A 2013 gas F250 supercab long bed 4x4 weighs about 7300 lbs EMPTY. with a diesel and the crew cab chassis, that goes up about 800 lbs. If you do the math, even with my gas engine, my payload is about 2700 lbs. With a diesel, it's down to about 1900 lbs. That's before you add the aftermarket items you have.

The above figures are "generalities" and not specific to any particular truck, but Ford leads us to believe in their advertising that the "max payload" of 4200 lbs (that's really what they advertise). The unfortunate truth to that is the 4200 lbs is only available on a standard cab 4x2 SL model with no options. When we add options, bigger cabs, longer beds, aftermarket tanks, winches and hitches, we even reduce the payload further. It's not suprising to find a current model F250 fully equipped with an aftermarket tank and winch like you have with an available payload of less than 1000 lbs. Add family and there's no payload left to equip the truck with a hitch, let alone the pin weight of the truck.

A consideration for you, even though a dually F350 will give you "enough" payload to manage your truck with the equipment you have installed, you really won't have very much available payload after you hitch the trailer to the truck. With the 1000 lb + in aftermarket additions, you are approaching F450/F550 territory.

[Javi]

I find it unusual that none of the pin weight is transferred to the front axle, at least a couple of hundred pounds should go there.

Check my signature... for the weight of my F-250 diesel F250

You're probably going to have to get rid of the extra tank and the hitch, maybe even clean out behind the seats and take all unnecessary tools out.. it's easy to add a few hundred pound to the truck without even noticing.

I cleaned over 300 lbs out of my toolbox and took out the 70lb bed mat from the list in my signature so I know it can be done. I now have about 2300 payload left but need to go reweigh to be exact.

[Brantlaker]

Does the Truck have a Lift kit, Off Road Tires,Light Bar, Brush Guard ? Even the extra fuel tank has extra weight. I have a Snow Plow attachment under my truck that weighs 85# and the wiring weighs 9# it all adds up. Also the Crew Cab adds #.Ford starts out with a 2Dr basic truck for the base weight and the then when you add on anything it takes it a.way from the 10,000 lb gross

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by DJOutfitters

I need some help. I have a 2006 F250 4X4 PSD Crew Cab Long Bed that we use for our tow vehicle. We just purchased a 2014 331mks. I took the trailer and truck to the scales. I have a problem and need some advice.

Combined
Steering Axle 5300# rating 6000#
Drive Axle 5940# rating 6100#
Trailer Axles 8460#
Gross 19700# rating 23000

I think to myself. Looks good so far. Except the GVWR on the truck is 10000#. I'm over by 1240# and the trailer isn't completely loaded. So I'm standing there scratching my head wondering what is going on. So I drop the trailer and go back to the scale.

Truck alone.
Steering axle 5300
Drive axle 3920
Gross 9220

So I'm almost at my GVWR with just the truck. So it looks like I have to empty the 100 gal of diesel out of the tank in the bed and take the 1600K winch off the front of the truck. That will put me close to the outer limits. We have very little in the garage storage area. Thoughts or suggestions?

Time to loose the 100 gals of extra fuel, that is 715# plus the weight of the tank, that will put you in better shape!!

It is the cruse of the 3/4 ton!!

Originally Posted by Javi

I find it unusual that none of the pin weight is transferred to the front axle, at least a couple of hundred pounds should go there.

Check my signature... for the weight of my F-250 diesel F250

You're probably going to have to get rid of the extra tank and the hitch, maybe even clean out behind the seats and take all unnecessary tools out.. it's easy to add a few hundred pound to the truck without even noticing.

I cleaned over 300 lbs out of my toolbox and took out the 70lb bed mat from the list in my signature so I know it can be done. I now have about 2300 payload left but need to go reweigh to be exact.

%er transfer almost no weight to the front axle, the load is normally either directly over the rear axle, or just maybe 4' forward.

[fla-gypsy]

Every vehicle has limitations. A 3/4 ton truck is a great tool but they have limits too. The diesel engine and 4x4 (1k added weight) eat up the available payload potential plus you gave up 700 lbs more to the extra tank.

[Hansel]

"So I'm almost at my GVWR with just the truck. So it looks like I have to empty the 100 gal of diesel out of the tank in the bed and take the 1600K winch off the front of the truck. That will put me close to the outer limits. We have very little in the garage storage area. Thoughts or suggestions?"

My bad

missed the part with the 100 gallon tank in the bed but there is probably 8 or 900 lbs right there, it's nice too carry that much fuel, but you pay the price in not carry as much of a load.

[Javi]

Originally Posted by rhagfo

Time to loose the 100 gals of extra fuel, that is 715# plus the weight of the tank, that will put you in better shape!!

It is the cruse of the 3/4 ton!!



%er transfer almost no weight to the front axle, the load is normally either directly over the rear axle, or just maybe 4' forward.

Sorry... for a moment I forgot this was another pastime where the laws of physics are suspended.

[Ken / Claudia]

Knowing that the differnce from 3/4 to 1 ton is springs and sometimes tires. Make it a 1 ton. I have checked fords severals times, not in last 5 years, The only difference was springs. Some 3/4 come with 8 ply tires and all 1 tons have 10 ply. If your state has vehicles inspections this may not help, here folks do change trucks GVWRs by upgrades.

[Mark TC]

Here are the Ford specs
http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...superdtypu.pdf


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[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by Mark TC

Here are the Ford specs
http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...superdtypu.pdf


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Mark, Please doublecheck your link. It won't work and goes to a "Error Page Exception"

[SAD]

Originally Posted by Javi

Sorry... for a moment I forgot this was another pastime where the laws of physics are suspended.

I'm not sure if you're joking or not... But a 5er/goose puts very little (in some cases none) weight on the front axle when hooked up.

With a 3000 lb pin, i'd be surprised if you put more than 100 lbs on the front axle.

[Hansel]

Originally Posted by Ken / Claudia

Knowing that the differnce from 3/4 to 1 ton is springs and sometimes tires. Make it a 1 ton. I have checked fords severals times, not in last 5 years, The only difference was springs. Some 3/4 come with 8 ply tires and all 1 tons have 10 ply. If your state has vehicles inspections this may not help, here folks do change trucks GVWRs by upgrades.

I would think there is more too it than springs, and my F-250 use's a 10 ply tire, so that's not what makes them a 1 ton.

[DJOutfitters]

I figure 1000# for fuel and tank. 150# for winch another 75# on the hidden winch mount.

It looks like the 2014 331MKS is about 200# heavier on the pin than the 2013.

I would like to thank everyone for their input.

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by SAD

I'm not sure if you're joking or not... But a 5er/goose puts very little (in some cases none) weight on the front axle when hooked up.

With a 3000 lb pin, i'd be surprised if you put more than 100 lbs on the front axle.

SAD,

You are correct, any weight added to the bed directly over the rear axle will increase the front axle weight very minimally. But the further forward that load is placed, the greater the percentage of it's weight will be shifted to the front axle.

I think more what Javi was referring to was the 800 LB+ of fuel tank/fuel that is mounted in the front of the bed. It is going to add a significant percentage of it's added weight to the front axle. Anything behind the rear axle will add to the rear and decrease the front. Anything between them will effectively add a part of the weight to both and anything in front of the front axle will add to the front and subtract from the rear. The OP stated he has about 800 LBs of fuel tank in the bed and a 16K winch on the front bumper. There will be a substantial added weight to the front axle as well as to the rear axle (tank, hitch and pin weight).

Unfortunately, with the accessory load of over 1000 lbs and the hitch of about 150-200 lbs, if the OP has a "passenger load" of 400-600 lbs, it looks like he will be pretty much at GVW even without the fifth wheel.

[DJOutfitters]

Looks like I'm in the market for a f450

[Ken / Claudia]

Hansel, When I wanted a heavy duty ford in 96 I read thru the sps. booket, and in 01 and 05,I have not checked since than. All parts brakes, axles, frames, engine, etc. were all same for 250, 350srw, 350 drw. They have different springs, tires and options such as axle ratios. I thought that the 350drw models had bigger everything comparing to a 250 but, not true at least when I read from the sales bookets back page were lists that kind of stuff. Springs, it's all about the springs and how many ford puts on them.

[Javi]

Originally Posted by SAD

I'm not sure if you're joking or not... But a 5er/goose puts very little (in some cases none) weight on the front axle when hooked up.

With a 3000 lb pin, i'd be surprised if you put more than 100 lbs on the front axle.

No I'm not kidding in the least... How much weight is transferred to the front axle depends on how far in front of the rear axle the load is placed.
Place it directly between the front and rear axle and you will find equal transfer between the two.

Place the weight 4" in front of the rear axle and a smaller percentage will be transferred, 6" will transfer a larger percentage. This is easily calculated with a couple of simple measurements.

Place the weight behind the rear axle and you will begin to take weight off the front axle as the frame acts as a fulcrum with the rear axle.

Of course this assumes that the laws of physics apply...

Hansel and I are both aware that the laws of physics have been suspended for archey so I'm not too surprise to find the same in RV'ing...