Titan XD

[jmak]

Noticing that a dealership has fully some loaded Titan XD Diesels marked down 17K. Seemed like a very impressive truck getting a lot of 3/4 abilities at a much more reasonable price until I noticed the payload of only 1500lbs. Should I be concerned towing a max weight Cougar 26RBI 30ft TT of 7800lbs(dry weight of 6100lbs) with such a low payload? Heck my F150 has a 1750lb payload.

[Tbos]

What is your true loaded tongue weight? What is the CGWR of the truck? IMHO a lower payload is not a good thing.


2016 Passport GT 2810BHS, 2014 Silverado 1500 LT in Deep Forest Green

[itat]

Assume 12% of the TT's GVWR for the tongue weight. If you can take the Titan for a test drive and run it across a scale during the test drive you'll have a good idea of how close to GVWR you'd be.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by jmak

Noticing that a dealership has fully some loaded Titan XD Diesels marked down 17K. Seemed like a very impressive truck getting a lot of 3/4 abilities at a much more reasonable price until I noticed the payload of only 1500lbs. Should I be concerned towing a max weight Cougar 26RBI 30ft TT of 7800lbs(dry weight of 6100lbs) with such a low payload? Heck my F150 has a 1750lb payload.

There is a reason they are marked down. They have expended a lot of energy, and money, putting a good engine in a truck that isn't built for it. The Titan XD is a 1/2 ton truck with a 3/4-1 ton truck engine. It's a shame. Nissan and Toyota just don't have a grip on "towing" or the American big truck scene. They do make great mini pickups.

[notanlines]

OP, why would you go with a Nissan with a mini-diesel at 310 HP and 555 ft/lbs when you could have, just as an example, a GMC 1500 with the 6.2L EcoTec3 V8 engine at 420 HP and 450 ft/lbs.....? If you just crave to drive Japanese then have at it. But dollar for dollar I'd take the 1/2 ton Big Three with the gas engine. Then when you're actually ready for a diesel buy a big one.

[itat]

Originally Posted by sourdough

There is a reason they are marked down. They have expended a lot of energy, and money, putting a good engine in a truck that isn't built for it. The Titan XD is a 1/2 ton truck with a 3/4-1 ton truck engine. It's a shame. Nissan and Toyota just don't have a grip on "towing" or the American big truck scene. They do make great mini pickups.

They make great 1/2 tons but for whatever reason they haven't tried to compete in the 3/4 and 1 ton segments. In passenger cars, I'll almost always go Japanese because of their superior quality and great value. Both Toyota and Honda have plants here in Ontario, Canada so I'm comfortable buying their products. But in the pickup market the Big 3 domestics make a very respectable truck - well Ford anyway. And Japanese pickups aren't as good of a value compared to the domestics as they are in the passenger car segment.

[jmak]

Originally Posted by notanlines

OP, why would you go with a Nissan with a mini-diesel at 310 HP and 555 ft/lbs when you could have, just as an example, a GMC 1500 with the 6.2L EcoTec3 V8 engine at 420 HP and 450 ft/lbs.....? If you just crave to drive Japanese then have at it. But dollar for dollar I'd take the 1/2 ton Big Three with the gas engine. Then when you're actually ready for a diesel buy a big one.

I already have a 1/2 ton Ford F150 with the ecoboost which personally is much better than those V8s giving you 90% torque down low below 1800RPM. Sit in 5 gear when pulling with an occasional downshift for 4th when needing to climb. Heck with a simple aftermarket tune you can spool up the torque to over 500ftlbs. So power wise is not my concern.

What attracted me to the Titan XD is you are getting the weight of a 7500lb 3/4 ton truck at a much better price. That extra weight would be a great stability benefit for pulling a 30ft long trailer more comfortably.

Price wise fully loaded with discounts in the low 40s right now instead of 50 something plus for a nicely equipped big 3 diesel is a huge difference.

Reading a few more articles what hurt the payload numbers while everything else about the truck screams 3/4 or 1 ton truck build quality is they went with a soft suspension to give the truck more of a comfy 1/2 ton ride.

I guess they wanted to go after the market of I want a big truck but will never really use it. Just like so many people buy a 4x4 truck, heck put a lift kit on it and then never take it off road or heck even hop a curb with it.

[plugf15]

Well, I was an early adapter and I really like the Titan. The Cummins is a beast and I've had very few problems. We're going to pull a Keystone Cougar Xlite 28RKS and the numbers look great on paper.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by jmak

I already have a 1/2 ton Ford F150 with the ecoboost which personally is much better than those V8s giving you 90% torque down low below 1800RPM. Sit in 5 gear when pulling with an occasional downshift for 4th when needing to climb. Heck with a simple aftermarket tune you can spool up the torque to over 500ftlbs. So power wise is not my concern.

What attracted me to the Titan XD is you are getting the weight of a 7500lb 3/4 ton truck at a much better price. That extra weight would be a great stability benefit for pulling a 30ft long trailer more comfortably.

Price wise fully loaded with discounts in the low 40s right now instead of 50 something plus for a nicely equipped big 3 diesel is a huge difference.

Reading a few more articles what hurt the payload numbers while everything else about the truck screams 3/4 or 1 ton truck build quality is they went with a soft suspension to give the truck more of a comfy 1/2 ton ride.

I guess they wanted to go after the market of I want a big truck but will never really use it. Just like so many people buy a 4x4 truck, heck put a lift kit on it and then never take it off road or heck even hop a curb with it.

There are some videos of the Titan vs Toyota vs Ford vs etc. for towing/braking. Of ALL the vehicles the Titan had much further braking and the brakes heated up to 2-3 times of the others. You just have to look at all aspects. Japan makes some great cars and SUVs - they just don't have the mix right for anything larger than a mid size truck IMHO.

[CWSWine]

Here is a easy site to check your numbers and make sure.

http://towingplanner.com/Estimators/...80&lw=9680&a=3

Originally Posted by plugf15

Well, I was an early adapter and I really like the Titan. The Cummins is a beast and I've had very few problems. We're going to pull a Keystone Cougar Xlite 28RKS and the numbers look great on paper.

[bsmith0404]

The Titan has it's place and some people love them, I just have figured out what the place is or why they love them. My personal opinion is that they built a diesel for the people who want a diesel for the sake of having a diesel, not for people who plan to tow heavy (not really any different than the Chevy Colorado). 1,500 lbs of payload is great for grandpa and grandma who are traveling by themselves and weigh in at less than 300 lbs combined. When you take a typical family of 4-5 with teenagers, weighing in at a combined 500-600 lbs, the payload drops to 1,000 or less and you haven't even added a hitch or any gear. That leaves you room for about a 6,000 lbs trailer max with typical hitch weights. Japanese trucks have been described as cars with a bed, basically and El Camino. I know that is a bit of a stretch, they are more capable than that, but the point is that Japanese automakers have chosen to sacrifice payload and heavy duty workability for a more car like drive. That is their market, don't try to make them something they did not intend to be.

As for the lower cost compared to the big 3 diesels, check resale and see where you're money is better spent.

[pawpaw]

More of a fancy commuter vehicle to me. Maybe pulling a light travel trailer would be it's niche. For not that much more you can get a 3/4 ton diesel powered real truck from one of the other manufacturers.

[notanlines]

That ol' Brent, he's sharp! Uh, you, too, Paw Paw!

[itat]

The Toyota and Nissan trucks are at thigher end of 1/2 ton payloads and very reliable vehicles, but just priced too high compared to the domestic trucks that are more competent than their passenger cars. So the Japanese trucks don't have the value compared to domestics on the truck segment like they do in the passenger car segment.

[kennyskywalker]

I purchased the gas version 2016 Titan XD SV model, max payload is just over 2500lbs. max gooseneck tow is 11380. The gas model is a much better value versus diesel and the max tow is only 1,000 more than gas. The gas version has better payload capacity. GVWR for my truck is 8600 and max GCWR is 17700.
I have a 2017 Springdale 5ver 253fwre that weighs 8524 unloaded, GVWR for unit is 10300. I took my 5ver out last week, CAT scales had total GCWR at 15500, my truck unhitched with full tank of gas weighed 6600 which means my 5ver weighed 8900.
The Titan XD was awesome! I highly recommend one versus diesel, they have truck reviews on YouTube that give you good information. I never plan on pulling a 5ver that weighs 12k or 15k so the Titan XD gas model is ideal for my situation.

[bsmith0404]

Originally Posted by kennyskywalker

I purchased the gas version 2016 Titan XD SV model, max payload is just over 2500lbs. max gooseneck tow is 11380. The gas model is a much better value versus diesel and the max tow is only 1,000 more than gas. The gas version has better payload capacity. GVWR for my truck is 8600 and max GCWR is 17700.
I have a 2017 Springdale 5ver 253fwre that weighs 8524 unloaded, GVWR for unit is 10300. I took my 5ver out last week, CAT scales had total GCWR at 15500, my truck unhitched with full tank of gas weighed 6600 which means my 5ver weighed 8900.
The Titan XD was awesome! I highly recommend one versus diesel, they have truck reviews on YouTube that give you good information. I never plan on pulling a 5ver that weighs 12k or 15k so the Titan XD gas model is ideal for my situation.

Curious where you're getting your max payload numbers? If the GVWR of your truck is 8,600 and your truck weighs 6,600, that's a 2,000 lbs max payload. Also curious what your weights were on the truck axles when you hit the CAT scales. Add your gear, family, and pin weight of your 5er to the truck weight and my guess is that you're over you 8,600 GVWR.

[kennyskywalker]

This is directly from scale sheet; steer axel 3640, drive axel 4720, trailer axel 7220 and gcwr 15580. This is with truck and trailer together

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[kennyskywalker]

Drive axel rated up to 4900lbs

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[kennyskywalker]

This was loaded weight including gear, fuel and family

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[bsmith0404]

Your 5er has a very light pin weight. To only add 1760 lbs to the truck with everything added in unusual. I have to admit I was surprised by your numbers, even though keystone list the pin weight at just over 1100 lbs, it's unusual to see them remain that light. Your weights are good, but only 240 lbs to spare, so don't go adding too much.