2016 deal or wait for 2017 ford superduty?

[jsmith948]

Originally Posted by Outback 325BH

Same with me. A diesel is awesome for sure, but my truck is sans trailer 75% of the time.


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Don't you think 5 to 7 mph better mileage EMPTY is worth considering?

[Hansel]

My 2 cent's worth is wait till the 17's hit the lot's, then go out and get a really good deal on a 16. Go with a diesel if you ever want too sell it you will find it easier, and cost effective. Go with a F-350 you never know what might be in the future for a upgrade on a camper.

[Outback 325BH]

Originally Posted by jsmith948

Don't you think 5 to 7 mph better mileage EMPTY is worth considering?

For $8k, no. Plus, I run my truck on a ton of short local trips when not pulling my camper.

Diesel guys just can't accept the fact that gassers make more sense in some situations.


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[sourdough]

Originally Posted by Bhickey2304

I am about ready to trade my '09 f150 for an f250/350 srw. My question is should I pick up a deal on a left over 2016 or wait?
Also I'm going to get a 6.2l ccsb 4x4. Is there really that big of a difference between the 3.73 gears and 4.10s?
Lastly this will be a daily driver but I tow a 30ft tt and I want a truck that will last through my upgrade to a smallish 5th wheel. Is there that big of a ride difference between the 250 & 350?
I'm thinking I should get the 350.

Personally I would go for the 2016. I've bought many first year models and chances are 50/50 that you will get to find one of the glitches they overlooked during the design. Let them wait at least a couple of years to work out the bugs. There may be a few new bells and whistles but a '16 with bells and whistles is still a new truck with new bells and whistles

If you get the 6.2 get the 4.10. Lots of difference in towing between the two and the 4.10 should give you a higher tow rating. Gas usage won't be much different between them.

If you are "thinking" about a "smallish" 5th wheel just figure that you are going to wind up with a fair sized 5th wheel. That said, go with a 350 vs a 250 not much difference in price or ride but much better payload. As was mentioned in a previous post, if you garage your truck make sure it will fit.

You didn't bring up a diesel but it was mentioned in other posts. The initial 8-9k outlay is hard to justify if you don't tow all the time or tow heavy trailers. They tow large loads easier but get minimally better mileage towing or not vs a modern gas engine. My calculations tell me I would have to keep the truck (diesel) for at least 200k miles to "pay" for the diesel option. You will get about a $4k premium over a gas model on resale. All that said, I think anyone that wants to tow a trailer over 10k lbs needs a diesel. 10k and above just stresses a gas engine too much.

Bottom line I think is to visualize the largest, nicest trailer you think you may ever want (and yes, your wants will grow) and buy a truck that can safely and easily tow it. In this case I would go with a 350 as I mentioned, and, with a diesel because you want to move to a 5th wheel and I don't know of many, if any, of any size that have a GVW under 10k lbs.

Good luck with your decision and purchase.

[1jeep]

My buddy just bought a f350 6.2 with the lower gearing, tows a Montana and he is happy with it. most of his driving is short trips around town so he didn't want a diesel.

[JRTJH]

I have a small fifth wheel (Cougar XLite 27RKS) and towed it with a 2013 F250 6.2L (gas) truck with 3.73 gearing. Fuel mileage was about 14 solo and 8-9 towing. I've owned diesel trucks in the past and truthfully wasn't really impressed with the SuperDuty gas towing capability. I traded for a 2015 F250 6.7L (diesel) and I can tell you that the difference is towing is night and day. Mileage is 19-20 solo and 12-13 towing. Granted, there is a $8000 pricetag, but based on every 8 to 10 year old diesel with 100,000 to 150,000 miles, the resale (tradein) value is 6000 to 8000 above the trade in value of a comparable gas truck, so "in reality" it's not a "price increase" rather it's a "deposit" that you get back when you trade your truck.

I see a lot of gas superduty trucks towing "relatively small" fifth wheels, I did it too, and the difference in "noise/engine RPM/acceleration and performance between the two (gas/diesel) simply can't be compared. Of course, everyone has to weigh their options and their needs, but when it comes down to the decision of buying a 2016 (at a current 10,000 discount) and considering buying a 2017 (at full sticker price with no rebates) buying a truck that will "cost $8,000 more now and give you $8,000 more on trade" at the discount available, makes a 2016 diesel very difficult to turn down.

[Trent McCain]

We just purchased an new '16 F350 dually. Really didn't plan on going new, wanted a '11-'13 as we were "self financing" it and didn't want to take too long to replenish the account. Had a hard time finding anything decent. Had a '14 found that was a little more than we wanted to spend, but we were getting a newer truck with less miles and the balance of factory warranty. Our dealer tried unsuccessfully to obtain it from a Ford dealer in Denver. (dealer said we could have it, then sold it our from under my Ford dealer) We then decided to look for new. With the current rebates, we were in to a new one for $5,600 over the used '14. The '14 also did not have the factory hitch prep that I wanted, my dealer quoted $1,300 for that, so the cost to "upgrade" to new was around $4,300. I like the '17's, but not enough to justify the price at this time. The new dually will be a huge improvement over the '09 F350 SRW we traded, and should last us a long time as being 40 and still having full time jobs, my wife and I are weekend campers at best. Maybe with any luck this '16 will be like the '92-97 OBS Fords when it's time to sell, everyone will want it because it's the last year of the body style. Either way, we plan on enjoying it a long time.

[1jeep]

Congrats!

I went through the same wanted to find one a year or 2 old and the pricing was crazy on used, so for a few more $$$ I bought a brand new dually.

[Trent McCain]

This one isn't loaded quite as hard as the '14, but what options it's missing, werent options we wouldn't have probably ordered anyways (sunroof, heated rear seat, chrome pack) It's a nicely loaded Lariat 4x4 with Nav and the towing options we wanted. Plus it was close to home. The only used one other than the Denver truck our dealer found was in Georgia, and that would have been $1,000 to ship it to Kansas. So when the dust settled, it really didn't cost much. Plus as my wife pointed out, buying new, I have all the records, I pull the first trailer, I break it in, full warranty, etc. I think it will serve our needs just fine.

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[Desert185]

Originally Posted by Bhickey2304

I am about ready to trade my '09 f150 for an f250/350 srw. My question is should I pick up a deal on a left over 2016 or wait?
Also I'm going to get a 6.2l ccsb 4x4. Is there really that big of a difference between the 3.73 gears and 4.10s?
Lastly this will be a daily driver but I tow a 30ft tt and I want a truck that will last through my upgrade to a smallish 5th wheel. Is there that big of a ride difference between the 250 & 350?
I'm thinking I should get the 350.

Well, its a tow vehicle, so I would get the 2016 diesel 350.

-End of year discounts offset the cost.
-Diesel 350 power and exhaust brake will cover future trailer upgrades.
-Longevity. The diesel will last longer than the gasser, so amortization will lower the costs.
-Better fuel mileage will also help.
-3.73 gears would be my choice over 4.10's for obvious reasons.
-Its primarily a simple, TV capability issue for me and the diesel will do what the gasser will do when not towing, but not necessarily vice versa. When the towing, the gasser will always be a compromise.

[1jeep]

only gear choices on a 2016 f350srw diesel are 3:31 or 3:55, unless you go dually then 3:73 or 4:30

the 3:55 with 20" wheels does fine towing and daily driving fuel economy, my previous f250 had them.

[Desert185]

Originally Posted by 1jeep

only gear choices on a 2016 f350srw diesel are 3:31 or 3:55, unless you go dually then 3:73 or 4:30

the 3:55 with 20" wheels does fine towing and daily driving fuel economy, my previous f250 had them.

If that's the case, 3.55's would be my choice. I went from 265/75-16 to 285/75-16 on my TV and could feel the slight difference the resulting gear ratio change made. I would not want 3.31's with 20" tires (low profile or not) while towing a heavy trailer.

[1jeep]

pretty sure the tires ford uses on the 18" and 20" wheels gives it almost the same OD of just over 32". My previous f250 with 3:55 and 20" wheels never ran out of power towing my 15k lb trailer, it was just really lacking in the payload department.

[CaptnJohn]

Originally Posted by 1jeep

pretty sure the tires ford uses on the 18" and 20" wheels gives it almost the same OD of just over 32". My previous f250 with 3:55 and 20" wheels never ran out of power towing my 15k lb trailer, it was just really lacking in the payload department.

My 2016 F250 with 18" wheels and 3.31 tows a 10,500# 5er just fine ~ My 2016 F350 has the 20" and does great on about 13,000# 5er. I would be just as happy with the 3.31 BUT in order to have the 11,500 GVWR the 3.55 (at $390) and the 20" tires/wheels (at $13??) list price was needed. Problem with the F250 is over payload with a 9800# dry 5er and hitch.
BTW ~ really like the Husky 5er tailgate over stock and will be adding a back up camera to it soon.

[CWSWine]

It is interesting that the 2017 F350 SRW has a GVWR of 11,400 and a 2016 F350 SRW has a GVWR of 11,500 for loss of 100 lbs. Weight savings of going to aluminum body was eaten up by frame and drive train upgrades ended up being about 300lbs so net gain in payload of about 200lbs. I was hoping that Ford would increase the GVWR like Ram(12,300lbs GVWR) did to increase the payload.

[1jeep]

maybe they fattened it up by adding more weight in the form of technology, cameras do weight something....I have been suffering with just one camera....lol

[RICamper]

Just purchased a 2016 Ford F350 Crew Cab 4x4 Platinum with 6.7L Diesel, 3:55, and 20" wheels. Dealer took 12K off sticker price without hesitation. I've had others over the years, but this is my first "real" truck. Will let the "aluminum" trucks settle out for a few years...

[BlueThunder34]

I finally got to put my hands on and drive the 2017 and meh... lots of new gadgets and the frame is fully boxed which is nice but overall I wasn't all that impressed, at least not enough for the $75k sticker. I'm a die hard Ford fan boy but I just wasn't all that impressed, I walked away still content with my 2016 which is unusual for me as I always seem to want the new stuff that comes out. Maybe we are just reaching the point where all of these new heavy duty trucks are more than capable of adequately handling what the normal consumer will throw at them and all that is left now is bragging rights?

[JRTJH]

[QUOTE=BlueThunder34;211882]I finally got to put my hands on and drive the 2017 and meh... lots of new gadgets and the frame is fully boxed which is nice but overall I wasn't all that impressed, at least not enough for the $75k sticker. I'm a die hard Ford fan boy but I just wasn't all that impressed, I walked away still content with my 2016 which is unusual for me as I always seem to want the new stuff that comes out. Maybe we are just reaching the point where all of these new heavy duty trucks are more than capable of adequately handling what the normal consumer will throw at them and all that is left now is bragging rights?[QUOTE]

I think there's probably more truth than speculation in your statement about bragging rights !!! From my "first impressions", it looks more like they added "bells and whistles" and a beefier frame, otherwise, it's still got that "Ford look"... After 40 years of driving Ford's, I'm satisfied with my 2015 and probably won't look at the new models any more, I'm satisfied and so is my curiosity.

The October issue of Trailer Life has a very informative "first look article" on the new SuperDuty. In it, they "more or less" explained the "upgrades/new truck design" as necessary to keep "upping the ratings". They said that the current 2016, the 18th year since a major revision, had reached the maximum capacity and the current platform wouldn't support upping tow ratings/payload without adding more weight to the frame (which would deduct from payload, a catch-22), so to keep "upping the ratings to stay ahead of GM/RAM, they needed to redesign the platform. Speculation is that this platform will carry Ford through a number of model years and "one-upping the best in class" claims. They also made a statement I hadn't seen before about the aluminum bed. Trailer Life says that it's thicker aluminum than the F150 bed and more "dent proof"... I wonder if that's a result of GM's toolbox ad ???

Take a look at the article if you get a chance, it's interesting.

[BlueThunder34]

I'll have to give that article a read. Too bad they don't put useful Gadgets in the trucks now, like how about a weight sensor for the bed or hitch that could feed to the driver info and tell you if you are exceeding weight ratings? Too much liability I guess, however I would rather more useful tools vs 7 cameras, back up assist and adaptive cruise control, etc. you things we used to do when we opened our eyes and drove our trucks. I know I'm being cynical.