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Old 12-31-2019, 07:43 PM   #141
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Probably will fit in the garage then; mine does (with about 2' in the rear and 4" in the front, ha). I am happy mine has the 18" wheels, though it provides zero help on height. Mine is ridiculously high to get into.

My father is probably close to your age and he also loves to build em with big engines and a 4 speed manual, though it is more partial toward higher gears for fuel economy purposes. 3.73 is the lowest rear he has ever had in a truck, though the longest travel trailer he ever pulled was a 24' footer.
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Old 12-31-2019, 11:21 PM   #142
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Yep. 20" wheel package. I've had them on the last 3 trucks but wanted the 18s on this one. That was not to be found at this time.

I've had 3 8.4s and love them. Hated this last one because it had backup camera and the bed camera. With that the big screen was always the bed camera, which I don't use, and the backup camera was in the rear view mirror. The verdict is out on the 12". I did watch a video on it this evening and man, it's full of "stuff". When it kicks in at night it will blind you (gotta figure out how to dim it like I want). Drag and pull plus SO much stuff. DW and I watched the video for about 15 minutes; she walked off and I said I cannot process all this by watching the video. I'll just work into it slowly - makes having a smartphone traveling almost useless.
In the first 48 hours owning our 2015 we drove 1350 miles with motel receipts for two nights. Monday at noon until Wednesday at noon. We learn a lot about the truck, nav and 8.4 in those two first days.
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Old 01-01-2020, 06:53 AM   #143
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Real nice Danny! I see it has the shifter on the dash. New the the 1 ton? Love the fact that you don't have to get the chrome polish out (monochromatic). Enjoy!
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Old 01-01-2020, 06:56 AM   #144
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Air down the tires, especially the rears, and try to watch the wear. My 2016 Laramie SRW had a payload of 4100# which was a huge improvement over the previous F350 of 3200#.
Only issue with my 2018 Laramie dually are the interior lights at night. I wish they automatically dimmed when the headlights were on. I have trouble seeing to back up the boat or utility trailer until I realize the dash lights and screen are blinding me.
What is Ram recommending for oil? Thought I read they wanted a special low viscosity synthetic Rotella. Apparently they have a partnership with Shell.
Congrats on the new truck. Happy New Year!
edit add....my dash dimmer is the thumbwheel on far left side of the dash under the light switch.
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Old 01-01-2020, 07:45 AM   #145
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Joe, yes it is the new one ton with the shifter knob on the dash. So used to the shifter on the column I've almost thrown my shoulder out grabbing for it.

Brent, I have aired down the tires and the ride really surprised me. It's as good as the 3/4 if not better. The interior lights are an issue. I've not figured out how to control them yet. The thumbwheel will control some of the dash but the others are very bright until they decide to turn off. Brought the manual in last night so will be looking it over. As far as oil, I've not looked into that yet. I figure it's like my last one; I believe Ram's recommendation was for some specific oil (Shell?). I talked to Shell, Mobil 1 and the dealership and determined that Mobil 1 covered everything the Shell oil did and was more available in my area. There was some connection between Ram and Shell? so their product was listed as the go to oil. I was told by one of the parties (don't remember which one) that the warranty would not be voided by using Mobil 1 which I use in everything.

Edit: Just looked at the manual. It specifies full synthetic oil that meets the API category of SN. It recommends 0-40 weight and Pennzoil Ultra or the equivalent Mopar engine oil meeting the requirements of FCA Material Standard MS - 12633. From the wording one can use any synthetic meeting the SN category but they "recommend" the Pennzoil or Mopar product.
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Old 01-01-2020, 03:42 PM   #146
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Another observation on this change;

I spent a lot of time investigating and worrying about the size changes between 2014 and 2019 plus the difference between going from 2500 to 3500. A LOT of time.

Spec sheet I found indicated the truck grew about 1 1/2" in length and a little over 1" in height considering both differences. In the Ram office they call the 2019 Ram SB/CC short bed a 6.5 bed on their posters; it used to be a 6.4 so I was worried. Called the folks that make my bed cover (Bak Industries) and one person told me I needed a different one, the next said the existing one would work. Irritating.

Here's what I know at this point:

>Installed the BakFlip hard bed cover today and it fit like a glove - exactly like it did on the 14 2500.

>There may be some difference in length or height but I do not see or feel it. I firmly believe it will be the same as the old truck.

>I had real worries about the ride of a 1 ton and going from the supposedly nice riding coil springs to leafs. The reality is that the 1 ton rides as well or better than the 3/4. We both really like it.

>The price difference between the 3/4 and 1 ton is really negligible.

>The huge screen in the middle of the dash is apparently very disconcerting to puppy if I turn the display off and there is just a big black shiny screen - a literal mirror, and she acts strangely until I turn it on and make that reflection go away. (She sits on the console)

>Knowing what I know now first hand I should have just bypassed a 3/4 ton and went to a 1 ton. The 3/4 was overkill at the time, and served us well, but if there is the slightest possibility anyone thinks they might upgrade their RV just get the 1 ton - lots of positives and no downsides whatsoever as far as I can tell.
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Old 01-01-2020, 03:50 PM   #147
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A little 'got a Hemi humor'!

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Old 01-01-2020, 05:11 PM   #148
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I couldn't get any sound from it. But, I will note my experience with Chrysler hemis;

I was a chevy guy, then ford guy then Ram guy. I was a chevy guy and loved those engines. Chrysler products rattled, broke etc. but the drivetrains were bulletproof. When I was 20 took my first drive in a Plymouth Barracuda 440 6 pack and was "wow". A drive later with a 426 was "double wow". My cousin came to visit us in TX and they had ordered Dodge Coronet? with the 426, 4 speed, added exhaust dumps etc. Took it out for a run and it was stout. My SS 396 wasn't a challenge. Never got to own my personal hemi back then but they were impressive to me. Now they're in a truck....
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Old 01-08-2020, 11:24 AM   #149
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OK so I'll add my $0.02 to this.
I have a 2012 Ram 3500 4 door, 4x4 diesel, 6.4 bed with 3:73 gears.
My Keystone Cougar 30 RLS weights in at 12000 lbs. loaded.
The truck fits in my garage with a few inches to spare. A mega cab is
10 inches too long, a long bed is a few feet to long.
We get hail here in Colorado so I wanted to be able to garage the truck.

Yes I know my 2012 is not a 2019 or 2020, but I bought what I could
afford. I looked for a long time to find a low mileage truck with only
46K on the speedo at a price I could afford ($41K) and yes I bought a
extended warranty on the truck.
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Old 01-11-2020, 09:55 AM   #150
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I couldn't get any sound from it. But, I will note my experience with Chrysler hemis;

I was a chevy guy, then ford guy then Ram guy. I was a chevy guy and loved those engines. Chrysler products rattled, broke etc. but the drivetrains were bulletproof. When I was 20 took my first drive in a Plymouth Barracuda 440 6 pack and was "wow". A drive later with a 426 was "double wow". My cousin came to visit us in TX and they had ordered Dodge Coronet? with the 426, 4 speed, added exhaust dumps etc. Took it out for a run and it was stout. My SS 396 wasn't a challenge. Never got to own my personal hemi back then but they were impressive to me. Now they're in a truck....
Ahh, the good old days! We worked so hard to make over 350 horsepower back then (if you couldn't afford the extra $500 for then Hemi option!). Changing cams, heads, exhaust, etc. And now with only a programmer you can add 200 horsepower! My 2004 CTS V came off the assembly line with 400 advertised horsepower and in reality is about 450 hp! All that and air conditioning too! Heck, the 2020 Ford 6.7 diesel has 475 hp and 1050 ft/lbs of torque! What more do we really need>
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Ahh, the good old days! ... Heck, the 2020 Ford 6.7 diesel has 475 hp and 1050 ft/lbs of torque! What more do we really need>
IMHO, what we need is a good, solid mid size diesel in the 300HP/600 ft/lbs range that gets 25-30MPG solo and 15-18 MPG towing a mid size trailer. Right now, (again IMHO) it's either choose gas and suffer mileage or choose "overkill" diesel to get the "extreme" towing capacity. There doesn't seem to be any "middle ground" in the diesel options...
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IMHO, what we need is a good, solid mid size diesel in the 300HP/600 ft/lbs range that gets 25-30MPG solo and 15-18 MPG towing a mid size trailer. Right now, (again IMHO) it's either choose gas and suffer mileage or choose "overkill" diesel to get the "extreme" towing capacity. There doesn't seem to be any "middle ground" in the diesel options...
I agree totally. There should be an option for such a diesel. Dodge has touched on it with their ECO-Diesel but not having the reliability of the Cummins as I understand it. GM is offering something similar I heard, even in the Tahoe's. Well see how that works out. The new gas 7.3 that Ford offers is SUPPOSED to fill the gap between the current gas engines and the current diesel. This article explains their logic.

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John is on point. I would buy a decent sized diesel in a heartbeat with the kinds of numbers John lists.....if it didn't cost 10k to get it. I have sent many requests to both FCA and Ford asking that they consider that and what I perceive as a large market for it. Obviously those requests have not been taken into account on the engine offerings.

Until the time they make those offerings, for me, it will be a gas engine. Bang for the buck. I don't want the high initial cost for something that I don't need but would be nice 3-4 times a year when a gas engine saves me 9200-10k and will do the same job - just not as easily. Then again, I've ran gas engines all my life and rpms don't bother me. I will say finding/getting a 3500 with the 6.4 and 4.10 axle is very difficult without ordering. I am very pleased and really look forward to strapping this, or a new, trailer to it. As far as a 4.10 guzzling more gas than a 3.73.....nah. The 4.10s I've had before had a mileage increase that was literally negligible. This one, at just over 1k miles, is averaging just under 16 highway/city combined....same as the 3.73 so not an issue to worry about.....just finding one.
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IMHO, what we need is a good, solid mid size diesel in the 300HP/600 ft/lbs range that gets 25-30MPG solo and 15-18 MPG towing a mid size trailer. Right now, (again IMHO) it's either choose gas and suffer mileage or choose "overkill" diesel to get the "extreme" towing capacity. There doesn't seem to be any "middle ground" in the diesel options...
My older cousin has the Eco Diesel, and prior to the lawsuit when Ram detuned it, he LOVED it. It did exactly what you said John; 30-35 mpg solo on the hwy, 15-18 towing his '76 Nova on his car hauler. Then Ram detuned it following the scandal and it has lost all power and the mileage has decreased. Once he gets his settlement $ from FCA he plans to buy one of the aftermarket CPU units that are available. So we were there, then RAM had to go mess it all up
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The ECO Diesel does not have a very good reliability record.
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Ah, have not heard anything about that. My cousin's has been fine, but that is a sample size of N=1, so that means nothing in the larger scene.
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Back about 5 years ago, Volkswagen "screwed the pooch" with their alleged (I don't want any liability here) emissions violations. That put the "kabosch" on diesel advancements for mid size vehicles for a couple of years. Ford came out in early 2018 with their Powerstroke 3.0l V-6 diesel. It's rated at 250HP/440 ft/lb torque.

If I remember, Fiat/Chrysler got caught up in allegations along those emission violation lines, but I don't think they were ever "caught doing anything"... There is one report of a Jeep with a diesel that died enroute to Alaska with a forum member in the driver's seat. He did get a new engine and last I heard, it was working well.

IMHO, Ford's V-6 is the "baby powerstroke" and the 6.7l (superduty size) is the "papa powerstroke" What we need is something between them, in a small V-8 or large V-6 or I-6 to work in the HP/torque range between the "baby and papa"...

As for the "new large pushrod gas engines" hopefully this experiment will go better than Ford's "modular engine lineup"... The V-10 modular engine was, IMHO, one of the most "fuel hungry engines" since the old days of the 428, 440 and 460 V-8's. Of course they had either 6 or 8 carb barrels dumping fuel and air into those hungry beasts. Funny that they were only rated at 250HP range "back in the day when insurance rates mandated horsepower ratings"....
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Back about 5 years ago, Volkswagen "screwed the pooch" with their alleged (I don't want any liability here) emissions violations.
There's a great documentary on Netflix about the VW scandal. Don't worry - several high up execs are in prison so you're on pretty safe ground implicating the company
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Back about 5 years ago, Volkswagen "screwed the pooch" with their alleged (I don't want any liability here) emissions violations. That put the "kabosch" on diesel advancements for mid size vehicles for a couple of years. Ford came out in early 2018 with their Powerstroke 3.0l V-6 diesel. It's rated at 250HP/440 ft/lb torque.

If I remember, Fiat/Chrysler got caught up in allegations along those emission violation lines, but I don't think they were ever "caught doing anything"... There is one report of a Jeep with a diesel that died enroute to Alaska with a forum member in the driver's seat. He did get a new engine and last I heard, it was working well.

IMHO, Ford's V-6 is the "baby powerstroke" and the 6.7l (superduty size) is the "papa powerstroke" What we need is something between them, in a small V-8 or large V-6 or I-6 to work in the HP/torque range between the "baby and papa"...

As for the "new large pushrod gas engines" hopefully this experiment will go better than Ford's "modular engine lineup"... The V-10 modular engine was, IMHO, one of the most "fuel hungry engines" since the old days of the 428, 440 and 460 V-8's. Of course they had either 6 or 8 carb barrels dumping fuel and air into those hungry beasts. Funny that they were only rated at 250HP range "back in the day when insurance rates mandated horsepower ratings"....

Hell their newer EFI V10s from the early 2000s were incredibly thirsty. I can see the need for the midsize diesel, though I don't think the manufacturers agree with you.
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Back about 5 years ago, Volkswagen "screwed the pooch" with their alleged (I don't want any liability here) emissions violations. That put the "kabosch" on diesel advancements for mid size vehicles for a couple of years. Ford came out in early 2018 with their Powerstroke 3.0l V-6 diesel. It's rated at 250HP/440 ft/lb torque.

If I remember, Fiat/Chrysler got caught up in allegations along those emission violation lines, but I don't think they were ever "caught doing anything"... There is one report of a Jeep with a diesel that died enroute to Alaska with a forum member in the driver's seat. He did get a new engine and last I heard, it was working well.

IMHO, Ford's V-6 is the "baby powerstroke" and the 6.7l (superduty size) is the "papa powerstroke" What we need is something between them, in a small V-8 or large V-6 or I-6 to work in the HP/torque range between the "baby and papa"...

As for the "new large pushrod gas engines" hopefully this experiment will go better than Ford's "modular engine lineup"... The V-10 modular engine was, IMHO, one of the most "fuel hungry engines" since the old days of the 428, 440 and 460 V-8's. Of course they had either 6 or 8 carb barrels dumping fuel and air into those hungry beasts. Funny that they were only rated at 250HP range "back in the day when insurance rates mandated horsepower ratings"....

Most of the engines we messed with were well above 250hp. Loved the Dodge/Plymouth engines but never owned them; just had friends/relatives with them and was envious. I believe most were in the 350-400hp range stock and torque between 425-500ft. lbs. Unbelievable back in the day. They were the "hot rods", muscle cars and not truck engines. The 440 Dodge truck engine was much like you said - thirsty. The others.....fun has a price so "thirsty" didn't really matter except on a limited budget you couldn't go far. Todays engines are really pumping out the power; gas or diesel and personally I love it. How long will that last? I don't know but intend to have a blast while we have the opportunity before it all comes tumbling down like it did in the 80s.
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