Is my truck enough ?

[Northofu1]

I don't tow it Maxed out either

[Hideout77]

Hideout LHS Series M-25 LHSWE Specs
Length (ft-in 29' 3''
Base Weight (lbs 4868
Carrying Capacity (lbs 2632
And my CAT ticket
Steer axel 2800
Drive axel 3560
Trailer axel 4760
GW 11,120

[cookinwitdiesel]

Missed the LHS part Was going to say, that must be different construction than mine.

We would call that a 25' trailer I think.

[Logan X]

Originally Posted by Hideout77

Any body have thoughts on using 2010 Nissan Armada platinum tow package E rated tires equipped cgvw 15,000lbs tow cap rated at 9,100lbs to tow a hideout 30ft weighing in at 5000 lbs.
Equalizers wd hitch

I just did some quick research on the Armada. According to Nissan, the maximum tongue weight you can put on the hitch is 900 pounds. As others have pointed out, a 30 foot Hideout will weigh more than 5000 pounds. Probably more like 8000 pounds. The tongue weight is roughly 12% of the total trailer weight. 12% of 8000 is 960 pounds. I don’t think you receiver hitch is strong enough for a trailer that big.

That much tongue weight will eat up a lot of your payload capacity. You also have to stay within the payloa capacity. It’s located on a sticker inside the drivers door. “All cargo and occupants cannot exceed xxxxpounds”

Also, it has a short wheel base at 123 inches. A short wheelbase SUV will get manhandled by a thirty foot trailer.

Here is the Nissan tow guide:

https://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpu...owingGuide.pdf

Let us know if you have questions about the weights and capabilities. We are here to help!

EDIT-you were posting your numbers as I was typing this. When you went to the scale were you loaded for camping? If your trailer is that light when you are fully loaded your numbers may be ok. I still think the trailer is too long for a short wheelbase SUV.

[Hideout77]

I didn’t know apparently from bumper to bumper isn’t how to measure TT length.
Everyone says that it would be a 25ft but the nada guide List 29.3ft length.
But the weights if my math is correct even fully loaded maxed out I’m still under by 1000lbs

[MarkEHansen]

Perhaps not, but to be safe, you should do your calculations based on the GVW. Otherwise, you can prepare the trailer for camping and then weigh it.

[Hideout77]

15,100 GCWR for the Armada.
Max tongue weight 910lbs
2010 ARMADA TOWING DATA
Engine Type
5.6L V8
3.357 gear ratio
390 foot lbs of torque
320 hp

[Logan X]

The max tow number they give is for marketing. You take the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) for your tow vehicle and subtract it from the gross combined weight rating (GCWR). That number is the maximum your trailer can weigh.

I believe your GVWR is 7300 pounds and the GCWR is 15100 pounds.

15100-7300 =7800 pounds. If those numbers are correct 7800 pounds would be the max you could tow.

Below is a link to a video that does a good job explaining all of this.

https://youtu.be/qwFLOBrADBs

[Hideout77]

Thank you for the reply Logan so My math is correct and I am within and actually under even with the trailer loaded.
Or did I miss something with my CAT Scales numbers?

[ctbruce]

Originally Posted by Hideout77

Thank you for the reply Logan so My math is correct and I am within and actually under even with the trailer loaded.
Or did I miss something with my CAT Scales numbers?

Use the capacities on your vehicle stickers, not the manufacturer brochures. That is the first and most important step. The brochures are for a vehicle that almost none of us would own or drive.

[Hideout77]

All the stickers match the towing guides listed by Nissan.

[Logan X]

Originally Posted by Hideout77

Thank you for the reply Logan so My math is correct and I am within and actually under even with the trailer loaded.
Or did I miss something with my CAT Scales numbers?

I would need to see your GVWR and payload numbers to know if you are overweight or not. Those numbers are on a sticker on the drivers side door.

You may be under the GCWR but you also need to be under your GVWR.

[Hideout77]

Steer axel 2800
Drive axel 3560
Trailer axel 4760
GW 11120

[Logan X]

Originally Posted by Hideout77

Steer axel 2800
Drive axel 3560
Trailer axel 4760
GW 11120

There should be stickers in the inside of the drivers door. One is yellow and says all cargo and occupants must not exceed xxxx pounds. That is your available payload number.

Another sticker, the FMVSS label says what the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating(GVWR) is.

I would need those numbers to know if you were overweight or not.

Also, were you loaded for camping when you went to the scale. We’re all of the occupants in the vehicle?

[Hideout77]

The CAT scales ticket was full propane both tanks and about half the gear and gas tanks filled up. And didn’t have the wife and 8yr old on board
GVWR 7150
GAWR 3399
GAWR RR 4299
The sticker also says the combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 1543 pounds
And that is just all the information that is on the stickers besides tire psi

[Logan X]

Originally Posted by Hideout77

Steer axel 2800
Drive axel 3560
Trailer axel 4760
GW 11120

As I’m looking at your scale numbers and the information I found on line, I believe you are within your towing capacity (only if the numbers you posted were from when you were loaded for camping). If you weren’t fully loaded when you went to the scale (no water in the fresh water tank, no passengers or camping gear in the truck, etc) you will need to weigh again when you are fully loaded and those numbers would need to be checked against your GVWR and GCWR.

Please keep in mind my earlier posts about the length of your trailer compared to the short wheelbase of an Armada. It may not make for a very enjoyable towing experience. A travel trailer is like a big sail behind you and will be affected by cross winds and semis passing you etc.

Good luck!

[rjrelander]

All the numbers seem to add up. Others on here can chime in on the length though. With "lighter" GVWR vehicles (half ton trucks, heavy SUVs), even with decent sway control, there is some magic trailer length where the "sail" effect takes over and the physics get wonky. Longer wheelbase helps to some extent but from what I understand, extra mass on the tow vehicle might be needed for longer trailers, even if they are light.

[EDIT] Lol. Logan types faster than I do.

[Logan X]

Originally Posted by Hideout77

The CAT scales ticket was full propane both tanks and about half the gear and gas tanks filled up. And didn’t have the wife and 8yr old on board
GVWR 7150
GAWR 3399
GAWR RR 4299
The sticker also says the combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 1543 pounds
And that is just all the information that is on the stickers besides tire psi

Based on those numbers I think you are under your limits, but not by a lot. If you tow with that set up it may feel ok or it may feel like a “white knuckle” experience.

Your GVWR is 7150

When you went to the scale the gross vehicle weight was 6360.

Add the other passengers, 300 lbs

Add some more gear plus misc, 300 lbs

6360+300+300= 6960. That doesn’t give you a lot of extra payload capacity. 7100-6960=140 lbs spare payload

[Logan X]

Originally Posted by rjrelander

All the numbers seem to add up. Others on here can chime in on the length though. With "lighter" GVWR vehicles (half ton trucks, heavy SUVs), even with decent sway control, there is some magic trailer length where the "sail" effect takes over and the physics get wonky. Longer wheelbase helps to some extent but from what I understand, extra mass on the tow vehicle might be needed for longer trailers, even if they are light.

[EDIT] Lol. Logan types faster than I do.

Haha, yep typing at the same time.

[sourdough]

Here are the specs per Keystone on the Hideout:

https://www.keystonerv.com/travel-tr...ravel-trailer/

It's a 7500lb. gvw trailer and 29'3" length ball to bumper.

I'm just going to make a couple of observations;

A 29-30' trailer is not a good companion for an Armada. It's a vehicle meant for "towing" a large family.

If I have interpreted right, the truck weighs 6360 at the scales vs a 7150 gvw. That was without the family, luggage, toys etc. so when fully loaded it will be pretty close to bumping max gvw.....with a 29-30' trailer behind it - it's not going to be easy to control in adverse conditions. And, if you deduct a 15% safety cushion from the gvw you would have 6077 lbs. And....the trailer is not fully loaded either.

Then there's the receiver.....and completely maxing out/overloading the suspension on a 9 year old SUV with a 29-30' trailer sailing along behind....and,.....and....

IMO it's not a good idea even if you could squeak by the numbers realistically, which I doubt. Trying to "go light" with an 8 year old on any length trip is a pipe dream - especially when you have all the room in the trailer.