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Old 04-28-2019, 05:20 PM   #21
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It only takes how far to get into an accident? Best of luck to you and I hope you can work on an upgrade soon.
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Old 04-28-2019, 06:45 PM   #22
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I really did weight my trailer and it's tongue. Keystone said 560 tongue wt.
My weight is 920 lbs. tongue on my little trailer.
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Old 04-28-2019, 06:52 PM   #23
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I just ordered the sherline 0-2000 tongue scale, my son just bought a Grand Designs imagine 3000QBH and I will post the actual vs. advertised tongue weight. I have the 0-5000 for fifth wheels and it’s eye opening when you start adding stuff.
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Old 04-28-2019, 07:06 PM   #24
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I just ordered the sherline 0-2000 tongue scale, my son just bought a Grand Designs imagine 3000QBH and I will post the actual vs. advertised tongue weight. I have the 0-5000 for fifth wheels and it’s eye opening when you start adding stuff.
It seems that GD publishes extremely optimistic tongue/pin weights on their website, I would be interested to see your results.

For my trailer, advertised tongue weight is 860#. With the same sherline scale, trailer pretty much empty (only battery and propane tanks) it measured at about 920#. GVWR is 9660 and I am probably around 10% of GVWR tongue weight if I had to guess when fully loaded (plan to verify next time I go by a scale - they screwed up on my first attempt). We have not "maxed out" the trailer yet when loading up, the one weight I did get had 6540# on trailer axles + tongue weight in the neighborhood of 950#

Back to the original topic however, my trailer when on a trip is probably about 55% of the "rated towing weight" for my truck. My payload was only 300# under trucks max GVWR and I definitely would not go much larger on the trailer with my truck (3/4 ton diesel). I just have a terribly hard time seeing anything longer than 20-24' being towed safely with a 1/2 ton or large SUV.

My recommendation, when you DO get to upgrade your truck, skip the 3/4 ton and go straight to a 1-ton SRW. It will drive pretty much the same, cost the same, be the same size, but have tires/axles/springs all rated for a higher and more appropriate payload. I wish I had done that instead of starting with my 2500 (which I am otherwise quite happy with).
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Old 04-28-2019, 07:10 PM   #25
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I just finished putting a washer and dryer in the front closet of a Solitude. Full tanks, 5500W Onan in front, pin weight was 3600 pounds.
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Old 04-28-2019, 07:16 PM   #26
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My recommendation, when you DO get to upgrade your truck, skip the 3/4 ton and go straight to a 1-ton SRW. It will drive pretty much the same, cost the same, be the same size, but have tires/axles/springs all rated for a higher and more appropriate payload. I wish I had done that instead of starting with my 2500 (which I am otherwise quite happy with).
I agree with this recommendation. It is good advice if you have a big trailer or are thinking about a small or medium fifth wheel. I also would have skipped the 3/4 ton and went with a 1 ton had I been thinking.
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Old 04-28-2019, 07:20 PM   #27
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The Solitudes are solidly 1-ton DRW trailers. And look to be quite nice Looking online, the pins for them and the Momentums MIGHT be in the realm of realistic, but check out their published numbers for the Reflections 5ers. Lol
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Old 04-28-2019, 07:24 PM   #28
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Dry weights are irrelevant and should be avoided in calculating "ready to camping" pin/tongue weights. My dry TW is listed at 700. I'm well over 1000 lbs when traveling with empty tanks.

Generally speaking, it's safe to assume a coach owner will pack on at least 750-1000 lbs of "stuff" even when traveling light for a short weekend trip.

New owners also have to take into consideration another 100 lbs for a WDH. This comes directly off the TVs payload capacity.
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Old 04-29-2019, 02:24 AM   #29
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If you are asking, "Is my truck enough?" then take the time to watch this video. Really helps with knowing what the numbers all mean and cuts through all the advertising BS.
https://rvsafety.com/rv-education/ma...ks-to-trailers
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Old 04-29-2019, 04:36 AM   #30
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I just finished putting a washer and dryer in the front closet of a Solitude. Full tanks, 5500W Onan in front, pin weight was 3600 pounds.
1/2 ton towable.... I read it on the FB
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Old 04-29-2019, 09:19 AM   #31
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Just curious if i had the f150 eco boost i would be well under my numbers but why still not good im confused?
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Old 04-29-2019, 09:43 AM   #32
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The numbers you posted earlier were not "well under", more like very close to max, 1775 payload - 975 lb tongue weight (seems light for a 8000 lb trailer) - 400 lbs of passengers (no number for anything added to the truck such as tools, blocks, chairs, bicycles, etc.) - 100lb hitch = 300 lbs or less. Plus a light weight truck with a little engine that has plenty of hp which is great for cruising down the highway & getting good mileage, but torque is needed to move it when heavily loaded.
I'm not saying you can't pull it, just like the lying salesman, you can pull it, but it won't be very enjoyable if you encounter winds, hills or lots of trucks passing you, which they will with this setup.
So buy yourself some good driving gloves so your hands don't get so tired trying to hold it somewhere in your lane.
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Old 04-29-2019, 09:44 AM   #33
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One issue that is often overlooked is the weight of the tow vehicle vs that which is being towed. Another is the cross sectional area of the trailer - this is important as the larger it is, the more it will be impacted by cross winds or other large passing vehicles. Any impact on the trailer will result in it pushing/pulling the tow vehicle as well if they are not well matched in size/weight. A 1/2 ton truck usually tops out around the high 5000s in weight. A 3/4 ton or 1 ton is usually 8000 pounds heavy. That difference in weight provides a lot of stability for the overall rig. Additionally, the 1/2 tons are available with a "short bed" which shortens the wheel base reducing stability compared to the HD/SD trucks that have the "standard" or "long" beds and accompanying wheelbase.
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Old 04-29-2019, 10:20 AM   #34
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The 8000 pounds is my trailer Loaded lightly my GCWR is 14,400 and the eco-boost is 17000 Would I be better with that or are you guys still saying the F150 is not good enough for a trailer that size
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That trailer is almost 40 feet long. The F150 is not a suitable tow vehicle in my opinion. Also, I’m fairly certain you will be overweight in payload, axle, and possibly tires unless you upgrade them.
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Old 04-29-2019, 10:40 AM   #36
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I wanted to get bigger truck in future might get one sooner should i got with the f250 or f350 gas/diesel?
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As mentioned before, if you're going to go 250/2500, you might as well go 350/3500 as the cost is not that much more. Diesel adds a lot of pulling power and should be seriously considered. Also, DRW vs SRW. The DRW adds a lot of pin/tongue weight capacity.

All of these factors are really personal. Consider your existing trailer's needs as well as any potential future trailer you may want to move up to.

For example, I went with the 3500, diesel dually because I want to move up to a larger 5th-wheel trailer at some point.

Good luck.
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If you want no limits, no holds barred, get the 3500 DRW (will have the 8' bed - no option). If you need to drive your truck more regularly or fit into tighter spots (standard vs long bed, width concerns) a SRW can still be a nice option but will not be as flexible with 5ers as the DRW.
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I've found the real item making driving/parking more difficult is the bed length more than the DRW. However, I've gotten used to both. I can't park this truck anyplace I can park a small compact car, but this is the trade-off with having something which can tow without issues.
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I wanted to get bigger truck in future might get one sooner should i got with the f250 or f350 gas/diesel?
The issue you have is with the payload of your current truck. That's what you run out of before anything else.

Look at the payload number for a 250/2500 Diesel and you will find you don't gain much.

If you want diesel, go 350/3500.

Gas 250/2500 should have a decent payload. In the 3K range.Generally enough for a TT, but not enough for a 5th wheel.
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