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Old 05-12-2021, 06:05 PM   #61
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Old 05-12-2021, 06:10 PM   #62
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2019 Chevrolet Volt
Compact car
7.5/10 ∑ US News & World Report
Range: 53 mi battery-only, 420 mi total
Battery charge time: 13h at 110V, 2.3h at 220V
Curb weight: 3,519 to 3,543 lbs
Horsepower: 149 hp
Dimensions: 180″ L x 71″ W x 56″ H
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There are two models with similar names:

VOLT = a hybrid (which I believe is discontinued)
BOLT = all electric

My brother has a BOLT. I'll check with him about charge times and range (give me some time; I'm on the road and will rely on him to reply to a text or email, and then I need good wireless service from the campground). I've driven his BOLT; it's a peppy little car and quite comfortable. I have a Ford Fiesta, and while it gets tremendous mileage for being a straight ICE (average over 10K miles ~40 mpg), the seats are uncomfortable as all get-out!

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Old 05-12-2021, 07:30 PM   #63
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Sorry. I had no idea of a Bolt vs Volt!! Guess I don't spend enough time looking at those things. Talking about electric cars I immediately went to "Volt". Here is the quickie on that one;

2021 Chevrolet Bolt EV
Compact car
8/10
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US News & World Report
Range: 259 mi battery-only
MSRP: From $36,500
MPGe: 127 city / 108 highway
Dimensions: 164″ L x 70″ W x 63″ H
Battery charge time: 10h at 220V

I won't drive mini cars and those are tiny to me. If a motorcycle hit you broadside in that it would kill you. In my truck...I would have a dent but that's just me. It also appears you can drive for about 4 hours and spend a day charging....don't know what that's good for other than living in a city...which I won't. Thanks for the heads up, I had no idea.
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Old 05-12-2021, 08:23 PM   #64
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My son was "deep into R/C car racing when he was in high school. One of the biggest drawbacks was range. His cars had replaceable batteries and his "pit stops" weren't to "glug 20 gallons into the tank" but to change out the battery and maybe adjust a servo. Multiple, interchangeable batteries worked for his "toy cars"... They also work for my cordless tools...

I wonder is there's any thought on having "exchange batteries" so you stop at a fuel station/battery station, pull out the 300 pound discharged one, plug in a 300 pound fully charged one, all in about 4 or 5 minutes, just like "pumping 20 gallons....

I'd suspect a lot of people would prefer not to exchange their "personal battery" so, sort of like the "Blue Flame Propane tank exchange", go pick up a "used full one" and when it's empty, pay for a full one and keep "grilling" or "driving"...

It'll take all the auto manufacturers to "standardize their battery systems" but all the flashlight and portable radio manufacturers did that during the 8 transistor radio era, back in the '60's....

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Old 05-13-2021, 05:04 AM   #65
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My son was "deep into R/C car racing when he was in high school. One of the biggest drawbacks was range. His cars had replaceable batteries and his "pit stops" weren't to "glug 20 gallons into the tank" but to change out the battery and maybe adjust a servo. Multiple, interchangeable batteries worked for his "toy cars"... They also work for my cordless tools...

I wonder is there's any thought on having "exchange batteries" so you stop at a fuel station/battery station, pull out the 300 pound discharged one, plug in a 300 pound fully charged one, all in about 4 or 5 minutes, just like "pumping 20 gallons....

I'd suspect a lot of people would prefer not to exchange their "personal battery" so, sort of like the "Blue Flame Propane tank exchange", go pick up a "used full one" and when it's empty, pay for a full one and keep "grilling" or "driving"...

It'll take all the auto manufacturers to "standardize their battery systems" but all the flashlight and portable radio manufacturers did that during the 8 transistor radio era, back in the '60's....

I'm a fan of the British show "Top Gear". Years ago they did a segment on an electric racing car that had quick change batteries. After thrashing it around the track for a while it caught fire and burned to the ground. Just a week or so ago the same show did a segment on an electric rally car. It was crazy fast with about a 20 min battery life.

Electric vehicles have been around for over a century. Electric trains and trolleys are very efficient at moving people and freight. IMO the battery technology just isn't there yet. Running a battery operated car to me would be like everyone's house using a generator instead of the grid.

Ok, I have my helment on, all the "Green" folks can throw rocks now.
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Old 05-13-2021, 05:05 AM   #66
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I'm going to have to try to figure out how much it costs to "fill" er up. Whatever it is I can guarantee you it is cheaper then buying gas.
When I charge it it will show the amount of miles I can get with a minimum and maximum. It gets more charge when it is warm. The most miles I have seen is 280 miles on a charge. Now if I go balls out on a highway my milage will not be that, however if I drive around town I will get more.
It charges up in the middle of the night while rates are lower. Its computer tells it when to charge based on lower rates. Depends on how low the available milage is as to how long to charge it. I usually plug it in with about 100 miles left. I'm usually sleeping while it's charging but I believe it takes 3-4 hours to complete.

BEST thing about this car is the cameras. It has that one that shows you the view looking down on the car and of course the front and back cameras. It is roomy and comfortable and can carry stuff.

We have a Ford F250 for doing the heavy stuff but we drive the Bolt 90% of the time.
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Old 05-13-2021, 08:28 AM   #67
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[QUOTE=LynneV;449129]I'm going to have to try to figure out how much it costs to "fill" er up. Whatever it is I can guarantee you it is cheaper then buying gas.




The above won't be true, by a long shot, if/when they decide to mandate electric vehicle usage then take your paycheck to pay for the infrastructure to support them - which is where they want to go.

The other thing is time. My time is worth money. In my mind I figure $200hr. minimum. Now I don't work BUT when I want to do something....I WANT TO DO IT! - not sit on the side of the road charging a battery. Driving 100 miles at 75-80mph (don't forget those 30-50 mph head winds), drain the battery then sit for 10 hours to charge (if you're not sitting on the side of some desolate road not charging) is off the charts expensive to me. JMO
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Old 05-13-2021, 08:35 AM   #68
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I could go point by point on all the “this is what I have heard” information but why bother. I have owned an electric vehicle for 4 years I have the experience of using it and know how it works.
I have 251 miles ready to use on my car right now. If I want to go somewhere I go.
10 hrs charge time is ridiculous unless you’re using a 110 low amp charger and who would do that?
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Old 05-13-2021, 10:41 AM   #69
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The EV acceptance will occur when the trucking industry starts making the move to EV trucks. Their decision will be based on costs and any other maintenance and service advantages Electric has over gas or diesel.
At one point in the early 1900’s there were more electric cars on the road then gasoline. Once the the petroleum infrastructure spread throughout the USofA it was more convenient to pump in a few gallons of Standard Oil’s finest than to wait for hours it would take to charge the Baker Electric.
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Old 05-13-2021, 11:45 AM   #70
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Besides writing speeding tickets to EV drivers in the city on flat roadways. I know some must have plenty of power for me to have written EVs speeding tickets on several steep uphill city streets.
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Old 05-13-2021, 03:19 PM   #71
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Cost? Well now we ALLare paying for it now because it's being subsidised by our tax dollars.
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Old 05-13-2021, 04:39 PM   #72
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The most miles I have seen is 280 miles on a charge. Now if I go balls out on a highway my milage will not be that, however if I drive around town I will get more.
It charges up in the middle of the night while rates are lower. Its computer tells it when to charge based on lower rates. Depends on how low the available milage is as to how long to charge it. I usually plug it in with about 100 miles left. I'm usually sleeping while it's charging but I believe it takes 3-4 hours to complete.

You don't have to go "point by point on all this is what I've heard information"....you just said it....unless that is just hearsay.

Most miles you could ever get is 280. You stop out of caution at 100 miles left. Max travel is 180 IF you aren't doing anything other than puttering around town...what I tried to point out earlier. THEN you wait overnight to recharge...you don't know how long that takes.

For regular folks, particularly in places other than a city, how could that work? And that's with a tiny "car". No, you don't have to go point by point, it is what it is and folks can see that.
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