Towing a 2012 Fuzion 315

[T-Bone]

Alright now the trailer is just waiting to be picked up, Guess I should get some input from u experienced haulers.
My TV is a 2010 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 Laramie 4x4 with 3.7's
The TH is a 2012 Fuzion 315 and the 900lb HD will be in the garage most times.
Should I be concerned at all with towing preformance ???
Any additions (besides airbags) I should consider making???

[KenBob]

According to the Ram spec sheet, 4x4 laramie mega, 6.7, auto, 3.73, max trailer 13250. If you had 4.10s, 16250. Specs on the 315 12270 dry, 16500 loaded.

A base model with the same drivetrain will have higher capacities due to less options meaning less weight. More options = less capacity. Gear ratio changes capacity. 4x4 changes capacity. Dually changes capacity.

We picked up our 360 with an 05 Dodge 3500 single rear wheel SLT manual trans 4x4 3.73. Could have worked. Numbers didn't. Bought a dually w/4.10s. JM2C.

Find your exact truck and compare:

http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/towing_g...wing.Specs.pdf

[T-Bone]

Originally Posted by KenBob

According to the Ram spec sheet, 4x4 laramie mega, 6.7, auto, 3.73, max trailer 12250. If you had 4.10s, 14250. Specs on the 315 12270 dry, 16500 loaded.

A base model with the same drivetrain will have higher capacities due to less options meaning less weight. More options = less capacity. Gear ratio changes capacity. 4x4 changes capacity. Dually changes capacity.

We picked up our 360 with an 05 Dodge 3500 single rear wheel SLT manual trans 4x4 3.73. Could have worked. Numbers didn't. Bought a dually w/4.10s. JM2C

Alright now I am wondering if when the TH is loaded with the gear mostly in the rear end will it affect the pin weight much? My Outback was a front load so I knew how to ballance it out well.

[KenBob]

The theory is the weight added to the garage reduces the pin weight. I would suspect it does. But not equally. Only hitting the scales empty then again loaded will give you the accurate changes in pin weight. The theory works better IF and only IF you have no other cargo in the bed other than the pin and you evenly distribute the cargo (everything in the RV) evenly. That includes genny fuel, water, fuel station fuel, EVERYTHING. Loading front storage and packing stuff on the master bed etc. adds to pin weight and total weight. It adds up fast.

[T-Bone]

[QUOTE=KenBob;53073]According to the Ram spec sheet, 4x4 laramie mega, 6.7, auto, 3.73, max trailer 13250. If you had 4.10s, 16250. Specs on the 315 12270 dry, 16500 loaded.

Not too sure where the extra 4000lbs came into play on the TH but this is what I've found on the Dodge towing spec site thus far

With 3.73 Axle Ratio Axle Ratio [i] You Can Tow 13700 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) [i] = 10100 lbs
Payload [i] = 2929 lbs
Curb Weight [i] = 7171 lbs
Curb Weight Front/Rear = 4446 lbs/4446 lbs
GAWR Front/Rear [i] = 5200 lbs/6200 lbs
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) [i] = 21000 lbs


I'm figuring I'll be pushing an extra 500lb or so over the spec's, and yes fluids stored in the back end tanks with fuel tanks and cargo. should by rights reduce pin weight to below max spec.

[720Deere]

I can shed a little real world light on this subject as I just picked up a 2013 Fuzion 315 about 2 weeks ago and we weighed it on the way home. As most people will tell you, those factory advertised weights are very conservative. My 315 with about 30 gal of fresh water weighed in at 13,300 and the pin weight was over 3,300 lbs.

The supposed "dry weight" does not include a generator or any other optional equipment. It also does not include the 60 lbs of propane that will be hanging on the front. With the Harley and some supplies in the trailer, you will likely be pushing 15,000 lbs at least. The grey and black tanks are located in front of the axles so you will only gain pin weight with anything in them. The fresh water tank is over top of the axles so no help with pin weight there either. Depending on how it is positioned in the garage, a 900 lb bike will lesson up the pin weight by 200 lbs at most.

Basically your truck will be seriously overloaded according to the manufacturer's ratings. Overall that doesn't concern me, but the one aspect does. I don't know what your rear axle weight is empty, but with only a 6,200 lb rating you will likely be overloading both the axle and the tires. Unless you have above average tires, Load Range E tires are rated for 3,042 lbs each. That would be my concern. The truck will handle it but the tires may be sketchy.

I am have some room left on my RAWR and my tires. Once the wife and daughter join us, I am over the truck's GVWR by as much as 1,000 lbs. Fully loaded I should be right at the GCWR for my truck. The truck handles it like a champ. Power is not an issue, braking is not an issue and stability is not an issue. Technically the truck is overloaded, but I don't think you could ever convince the truck of that!

I see 2500 and 3500 Rams towing comparable toyhaulers all the time and I have yet to see a catastrophic failure or accident. The only thing about the Fuzion 315 that is a killer is the pin weight. It is considerably heavier than other toyhaulers of its length.

[T-Bone]

Originally Posted by 720Deere

I can shed a little real world light on this subject as I just picked up a 2013 Fuzion 315 about 2 weeks ago and we weighed it on the way home. As most people will tell you, those factory advertised weights are very conservative. My 315 with about 30 gal of fresh water weighed in at 13,300 and the pin weight was over 3,300 lbs.

The supposed "dry weight" does not include a generator or any other optional equipment. It also does not include the 60 lbs of propane that will be hanging on the front. With the Harley and some supplies in the trailer, you will likely be pushing 15,000 lbs at least. The grey and black tanks are located in front of the axles so you will only gain pin weight with anything in them. The fresh water tank is over top of the axles so no help with pin weight there either. Depending on how it is positioned in the garage, a 900 lb bike will lesson up the pin weight by 200 lbs at most.

Basically your truck will be seriously overloaded according to the manufacturer's ratings. Overall that doesn't concern me, but the one aspect does. I don't know what your rear axle weight is empty, but with only a 6,200 lb rating you will likely be overloading both the axle and the tires. Unless you have above average tires, Load Range E tires are rated for 3,042 lbs each. That would be my concern. The truck will handle it but the tires may be sketchy.

I am have some room left on my RAWR and my tires. Once the wife and daughter join us, I am over the truck's GVWR by as much as 1,000 lbs. Fully loaded I should be right at the GCWR for my truck. The truck handles it like a champ. Power is not an issue, braking is not an issue and stability is not an issue. Technically the truck is overloaded, but I don't think you could ever convince the truck of that!

I see 2500 and 3500 Rams towing comparable toyhaulers all the time and I have yet to see a catastrophic failure or accident. The only thing about the Fuzion 315 that is a killer is the pin weight. It is considerably heavier than other toyhaulers of its length.

Alright Picked up the NEW 315!!!! With a friends truck since my hitch and sidewinder aren't in yet. We went right to the scales and something just ain't right with Keystones spec #'s!!!

Pin weight came in just under 2800 lbs??
Total unit weight on both axles came in at 10200 lbs???

Yes this has the monster package so the 6 point hydraulic jack system is built into this weight as is the 5500 Gen as well as 300 lbs of cargo I transferred from the old to new when I swapped them out. Oh and I also have the patio system on the 5th.
Why does keystone and Deere have such different weights than I???

[720Deere]

Well you are within 210 lbs of my trailer axle weight. I was carrying about 30 gal of water at the time so I would say our axle weights are almost dead even. I can't explain your super light pin weight. Sounds like the only real difference in our trailers is that I don't have the patio package which would be very negligible in affecting pin weight anyway.

At any rate, you are going to love the 315 no matter what it weighs!