Lippert ground control leveling system

[Bill meade]

I have a 2023 Premier & am thinking of installing a lippert ground control auto leveling system on it. Has anyone installed one?

[chuckster57]

It’s going to depend on the frame. Do you know which one it is?

[JRTJH]

As Chuck said, it depends on the frame. I believe all 2023 Bullet/Premier trailers are built on a BAL NORCO "huckbolt" frame. If so, the Lippert leveling systems will not fit that frame.

In fact, on the NORCO website: https://balrvproducts.com/products/#frames states that their leveling systems are "Custom designed for Original Equipment Manufacturer specifications. Not for retail sale."

So, before you get too deep in the weeds, look under your trailer and confirm what type of frame it was built on. If it is a "NORCO" frame, before you do anything else, contact the manufacturer at their website above and ask whether it's even possible to add a leveling/stabilizing system to your trailer.

Chances are very good that the answer is going to be "NOPE".....

[Bill meade]

Thankyou all for the info, illdo some more checking

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by Bill meade

Thankyou all for the info, illdo some more checking

BAL (NORCO) has some specific instructions/limitations on even jacking your frame to change a tire. They require that any "point of lift" on the frame must be spread over a specific length of the frame rail, so just "putting a tall jack on the frame to lift the tire can cause problems with the slide openings and cause the slides to no longer be "square in the frame opening"... It would be the same with installing jacks behind the axles to raise and level the trailer. BAL/NORCO has a customer support number that you can call during normal business hours (central time zone) to ask the specific questions you have about your trailer frame.

The CS number is 877-557-7788. They are located in Elkhart, IN.

[NH_Bulldog]

I had a Passport with the BAL Huckbolt frame. It is a lightweight frame designed for flexibility not rigidness. I had to be careful cranking my scissor stabilizers so I didn’t twist anything.

I have auto level on my Cougar, but it really doesn’t change my routine much. I still use my LevelMate Pro and Beech Lane leveling chocks to get close side to side and then hit auto level instead of dropping scissor jacks. If you are looking to eliminate movement while people move around inside, that isn’t going to happen (ever) even with auto level. Your best bet if that is your intention is chocks, good stabilizers, and JT Strong Arms.

[dutchmensport]

I have the Lippert 6 point auto level system (electric) on my Montana High Country Fifth Wheel. The bottom line is, the trailer has to be almost level to start with before the leveling system will work. If the trailer has too much tile (angle) the auto level will not work. The electric jacks are not designed to actually "lift" the camper either. Theoretically, the motor may be strong enough to lift several thousands of pounds, BUT the plastic gears inside are not.

Those jacks will fine tune a level to perfection, but blocks under the tires and under tongue jack or landing gear is still needed. If it is not done this way, the Lippert system will throw and error and will not level, if the angle degrees is too far off. I think the tolerance to start is something like, 3 degrees.

In a lot of ways, I wish my "auto level" system was still a manual level system, one jack at a time. The electronics is aggravating.... even after ownership over 6 years fighting with this system.

[Mr Mojo]

Originally Posted by dutchmensport

I have the Lippert 6 point auto level system (electric) on my Montana High Country Fifth Wheel. The bottom line is, the trailer has to be almost level to start with before the leveling system will work. If the trailer has too much tile (angle) the auto level will not work. The electric jacks are not designed to actually "lift" the camper either. Theoretically, the motor may be strong enough to lift several thousands of pounds, BUT the plastic gears inside are not.

Those jacks will fine tune a level to perfection, but blocks under the tires and under tongue jack or landing gear is still needed. If it is not done this way, the Lippert system will throw and error and will not level, if the angle degrees is too far off. I think the tolerance to start is something like, 3 degrees.

In a lot of ways, I wish my "auto level" system was still a manual level system, one jack at a time. The electronics is aggravating.... even after ownership over 6 years fighting with this system.

I broke one of my jacks, so I ordered a replacement. The symptoms showed that I may have broke the jack screw but after replacing the broken one with the new one, I discovered the shear pin had sheared off. Had I done a better investigation, I probably could have just installed a new pin and save $450.00. With my trailer, I always try and be level side to side first. My latest problem was not enough stroke (in or out). I had to remove my wood blocks to reset and even then sometimes it would say "Out of stroke" so I would lower the tongue jack and manually extend the rear jacks past the 6 inches required and then raise the front and it would rest it self, then every once in a while I would error out and do it all over again. So far it's been behaving, but I don't know how long that will last.