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Old 08-20-2017, 08:40 AM   #1
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Newbie with pin box question

Well I'll admit this is the first forum I have ever joined, but seemed like the smart choice so I can make this RV experience as safe and fun as possible. Soon we'll b picking up our first 5th wheel. 44yrs old seemed like a good time to start enjoying life. I have a 2001 Ford F250 with a 4" lift and a B&W turnover ball in the truck. I purchased the Anderson Aluminum Ultimate hitch to convert to pulling the 5th wheel. My question is can I adjust the pin box all the way up and then tilt it UP jus slightly to gain the couple inches I need to be able pull the camper level? I am a mechanical guy but I'll admit I don't know much about the structural integrity of a 5th wheel frame. Thanks in advance for any opinions.
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Old 08-20-2017, 08:49 AM   #2
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A very slight angle might be ok, but I'm not sure what you are gaining by changing the geometry of the pin box. Your biggest concern that you have to watch for with a lifted truck is the clearance between the side rails of the truck bed and the nose of your 5er. You obtain the clearance with a properly adjusted hitch and pin box. If you don't have the clearance needed when the trailer is level, nothing you do will change that. You will have a choice of lifting your 5er (not recommended by me), towing nose high (not recommended), or lowering your truck (best option for towing stability). I
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Old 08-20-2017, 08:50 AM   #3
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Well I'll admit this is the first forum I have ever joined, but seemed like the smart choice so I can make this RV experience as safe and fun as possible. Soon we'll b picking up our first 5th wheel. 44yrs old seemed like a good time to start enjoying life. I have a 2001 Ford F250 with a 4" lift and a B&W turnover ball in the truck. I purchased the Anderson Aluminum Ultimate hitch to convert to pulling the 5th wheel. My question is can I adjust the pin box all the way up and then tilt it UP jus slightly to gain the couple inches I need to be able pull the camper level? I am a mechanical guy but I'll admit I don't know much about the structural integrity of a 5th wheel frame. Thanks in advance for any opinions.
Is the 5th wheel you're getting new or used? When we picked up our 5th wheel at the dealer, they installed the hitch (slider at the time) and adjusted everything prior to me driving off the lot. I'm guessing they should do the same for you? If used from a private party, I'm sure you'll get the info you need fro those here who are very familiar with the process.
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Old 08-20-2017, 09:00 AM   #4
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The pin box can be moved up, but it cannot be "tilted". You need a minimum of 4 bolts and usual is 6 bolts holding the pin box to the frame. There isn't much play to tilt the box.
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Old 08-20-2017, 09:53 AM   #5
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The 5th wheel is used and I'm not much for having others work on my truck. Not to mention, I had to tell em (at the dealership) that it looked a little light in the front b4 be noticed it. I'm hoping I'll be fine jus by raising the pin box to the top most holes. Taking the lift off would be a real PAIN!! However, could b the perfect segway to telling the wife we need a new 6.7 Powerstroke Hopefully we pick it up this week and I'll post pics of my dilemma and/or solution. Or pics of a new truck! Lol
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The pin box can be moved up, but it cannot be "tilted". You need a minimum of 4 bolts and usual is 6 bolts holding the pin box to the frame. There isn't much play to tilt the box.
Best to loose the 4" lift rather than try to lift the 5er. Then you have 4" less TV height to worry about in trying to achieve a level package.
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The 5th wheel is used and I'm not much for having others work on my truck. Not to mention, I had to tell em (at the dealership) that it looked a little light in the front b4 be noticed it. I'm hoping I'll be fine jus by raising the pin box to the top most holes. Taking the lift off would be a real PAIN!! However, could b the perfect segway to telling the wife we need a new 6.7 Powerstroke Hopefully we pick it up this week and I'll post pics of my dilemma and/or solution. Or pics of a new truck! Lol
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Best to loose the 4" lift rather than try to lift the 5er. Then you have 4" less TV height to worry about in trying to achieve a level package.
And hope, in the interim, you don't have any dips or angular approaches leading into/out of a parking lot, RV park, driveway, etc.
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Old 08-20-2017, 02:04 PM   #8
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Our rig was new and the only adjustment to the pin box would be to lower it. It came at the highest position, and any higher would be jamming it into the fiberglass front cap, and there needs to be a little clearance there to allow a tiny bit of movement from the pin box movement. Even the newer trucks stock are a bit on the high side, and you really need about 6" above the truck rails to be safe.
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Old 08-21-2017, 04:32 AM   #9
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Thanks for all the input guys. I really appreciate it. I will post pics when we pick it up. See what u think of my tow angle.
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Old 08-22-2017, 04:56 AM   #10
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Had a new thought guys....... the tires on it now are very cheap and a D rated tire. Since I know I'll be putting new tires on it anyway, why couldn't I go with a ST225-90-16E. That would give me a better load capacity plus add 3" of height to the camper thus only making me adjust the pin box up 1" to compensate for the 4" lift in the rear. Seems like that would ba viable alternative to removing the lift. Thoughts, opinions???
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Had a new thought guys....... the tires on it now are very cheap and a D rated tire. Since I know I'll be putting new tires on it anyway, why couldn't I go with a ST225-90-16E. That would give me a better load capacity plus add 3" of height to the camper thus only making me adjust the pin box up 1" to compensate for the 4" lift in the rear. Seems like that would ba viable alternative to removing the lift. Thoughts, opinions???
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