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Old 05-22-2020, 01:47 PM   #61
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IMHO these sales people, RV & truck, that are misleading folks to buy a RV or truck that will not be able to tow or be towed safely should be held accountable.
I agree on the accountability. I think there are 3 categories of RV salesman.
1. those that don't know what the numbers mean or how to calculate them
2. those that don't care and just want to make a sale
3. those that do know and try to counsel the buyer.

You can assign your own percentages but from my experience #3 would be the smallest number by far.
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Old 05-22-2020, 01:56 PM   #62
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Getting into "my xxxx is better than your xxxx" is a wasted conversation generally.

That said, although Toyota employs American workers, as do the Big 3, the corporate profits for Toyota go to Toyota, Aichi, Japan - not Michigan etc.
The Toyota truck plant is in San Antonio Texas at 1 Lone Star Pass, San Antonio, TX 78264 - they offer tours of the plant in better times.
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Old 05-22-2020, 02:04 PM   #63
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The Toyota truck plant is in San Antonio Texas at 1 Lone Star Pass, San Antonio, TX 78264 - they offer tours of the plant in better times.

Yes, there is a Toyota plant there. What I was referring to was the corporate profits....they don't stop in the US of A; they go to Toyota Corporation's bottom line.
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Yes, there is a Toyota plant there. What I was referring to was the corporate profits....they don't stop in the US of A; they go to Toyota Corporation's bottom line.
Don't much care about getting into this urinary Olympics but I will say it is easy to modify ANY Tundra to be able to tow significantly more weight... just install one of these:

https://www.ebay.com/i/323799933713?...SABEgLKn_D_BwE
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Old 05-22-2020, 02:11 PM   #65
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Did anyone else notice that the Tundra owners are pretty much as spun up as the Eco-boost kids got when talking about their rides? Surprised we haven't had a Tundra vs Eco-boost insult fest yet... guess being isolated is weighing on a few folks.... well best get back to the ol' salt mines; I am inundated with work.
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Old 05-22-2020, 02:13 PM   #66
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Don't much care about getting into this urinary Olympics but I will say it is easy to modify ANY Tundra to be able to tow significantly more weight... just install one of these:

https://www.ebay.com/i/323799933713?...SABEgLKn_D_BwE


George!! And there you were with the answer for all these Toyota owners all this time! Now they can pull those air bags, add a leafs, upgraded tires and sway bars and nitrogen in those tires and just apply that badge! Outstanding! - and no more "urinary contests".
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Old 05-22-2020, 02:21 PM   #67
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George!! And there you were with the answer for all these Toyota owners all this time! Now they can pull those air bags, add a leafs, upgraded tires and sway bars and nitrogen in those tires and just apply that badge! Outstanding! - and no more "urinary contests".
NITROGEN! Excellent suggestion. It is a lot lighter than air (I guess?) so would definitely allow for much higher pin weights. Also, in some states it is legal to put the kids in the back of the camper going down the road (not real sure on this) and that would also lighten the pin weight. You could take out the propane tanks (out of the front of the camper) and have the kids sitting in the back of their Tunda towed camper hold the propane tanks between their legs! I am on a roll here.... we WILL make those Tundra owners feel like safety mavens soon enough!
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Nitrogen in the tires is one gas but I think a better gas would be Nitrous Oxide in the cabin.
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Old 05-22-2020, 02:51 PM   #69
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George!! And there you were with the answer for all these Toyota owners all this time! Now they can pull those air bags, add a leafs, upgraded tires and sway bars and nitrogen in those tires and just apply that badge! Outstanding! - and no more "urinary contests".
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Don't much care about getting into this urinary Olympics but I will say it is easy to modify ANY Tundra to be able to tow significantly more weight... just install one of these:

https://www.ebay.com/i/323799933713?...SABEgLKn_D_BwE
Then they'll be looking for someone with a real truck to tow it to a shop!!
Urinary Olympics here we come!
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Old 05-22-2020, 07:29 PM   #70
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Then they'll be looking for someone with a real truck to tow it to a shop!!
Urinary Olympics here we come!
Where they will pay for the refill on the turn signal fluid that the shop offers for only $19.95 extra!
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Old 05-23-2020, 07:46 AM   #71
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We own a 2015 Cougar 31SQB
Dry Weight 7213
Payload 1787
GVWR 9000
Hubby traded our previous truck for a 2019 Toyota Tundra SR5 5.7L V8 4WD CrewMax
Tow capacity 9800
GVWR 7,200
Payload 1560
GCWR 16,000
Iím afraid our calculations were incorrect as far as what it can tow. Iíve spent the last 2 hours researching online only to be more confused than before I started. My best estimate, weíre over by at least 1000lbs. Weíre not leaving the driveway until we can get confirmation. Any input is welcomed and appreciated!!
There is an app for that. RV Tow Check. Download to your phone for $1.99. Follow the directions carefully, and it will tell you what you can tow. Just bought a 2017 Tundra/5.7/SR5. RV Tow Check says we can tow between 5,000 lb and 5750 lb GVWR trailer, depending on percent of the trailer that is tongue weight (in this case, 15% Tongue Wt means a 5,000 lb trailer, and 13% Tongue Wt means a 5,750 lb trailer). According to RVTW, the national average Tongue Wt is 12% of trailer GVWR.
Too many rigs out there that are overloaded and susceptible to being an accident. Good for you for wanting to be sure you all tow correctly.
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Old 05-23-2020, 08:51 AM   #72
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I appreciate all of your passionate comments and spirited debate.
Youíve given us lots to consider.
Enjoy your blessings, be kind & live your best lives!
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Old 05-23-2020, 08:54 AM   #73
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There is an app for that. RV Tow Check. Download to your phone for $1.99. Follow the directions carefully, and it will tell you what you can tow. Just bought a 2017 Tundra/5.7/SR5. RV Tow Check says we can tow between 5,000 lb and 5750 lb GVWR trailer, depending on percent of the trailer that is tongue weight (in this case, 15% Tongue Wt means a 5,000 lb trailer, and 13% Tongue Wt means a 5,750 lb trailer). According to RVTW, the national average Tongue Wt is 12% of trailer GVWR.
Too many rigs out there that are overloaded and susceptible to being an accident. Good for you for wanting to be sure you all tow correctly.
This is awesome, thank you for this!
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Old 05-23-2020, 08:58 AM   #74
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I agree on the accountability. I think there are 3 categories of RV salesman.
1. those that don't know what the numbers mean or how to calculate them
2. those that don't care and just want to make a sale
3. those that do know and try to counsel the buyer.

You can assign your own percentages but from my experience #3 would be the smallest number by far.
We found #2 yesterday. Sadly he was the GM
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Old 05-23-2020, 09:22 AM   #75
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If you want to RV, just bite the bullet and sell off the truck, keep the trailer and buy
a 3/4 ton truck of your choice to tow with.

I have a friend who has a 32 foot 5th wheel trailer and towed it with a Toyota.
Did fine until he took a trip to Durango CO. Truck had brand new brakes on it.
by the time he got home he had fried the brakes/rotors.

He traded it in on a couple year old Ram 2500 diesel and is very happy with it.

I have a bit bigger 5th wheel (34 foot) Keystone Cougar and I tow with a 2012
Ram 3500 diesel. My 5th wheel weights right at 12K loaded and my truck can
handle 16,600 pounds of trailer.

I keep reading about those who buy brand new trucks. I bought a 2012 in 2018
because I could not stomach or afford $70K for a truck. I did a lot of searching
and found my truck with 46K on speedo for $41K. That amount I could afford. I
bought a extended warranty since it is a diesel and has a turbo. Years back I had
experience paying the bill on Ford 6.0 diesel repairs.
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Old 05-25-2020, 11:57 AM   #76
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All in my opinion, I do have different thoughts about stickers on trucks or the trailer. I donít see those stickers as mandates. Itís one point in time when the truck Or Camper leaves the factory.

So on my camper I have strengthened the suspension frame, added improvements to the slide mechanisms and many other improvements. Itís heavier but within tires specs. On my truck, Iíve added tires w a 4080 lb rating instead of 3640 out of the factory. I have a 300 lb hitch and a 350 lb extra fuel tank. The only thing I havenít done is airbags.

So a 1500 series truck, one can have e rated tires that improve the load carrying ability of the tires, likewise air bags that keep the ride height level or a bit above keeping some weight on the front axle, one can upgrade the brakes to improve stopping power., etc.

Now Iím not saying that you can take a 150 and spec it up to out tow a 3500........ well.... well

Actually that has happened, my brother has a Ram 3500 that according to Ram and compared to Ford limits the weight to a few hundred lbs less than 150 or 1500 series trucks w the max tow package. To be fair the payload is over 4000 lbs and it will yank anything put behind it up to the tire limitations.

Most folks canít assess the risk of doing these upgrades. Thus folks change trucks and camper and blow a lot of cash. Iím looking at myself in a mirror.

Why buy a 2500, itís obsolete. Couple hundred bucks and you got a 3500 that rides just as well.

So In my humble opinion, the OP could make their truck very competent to handle that trailer. But if they are not comfortable, then they have to make a change.
Well that is exactly what they are, mandates. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to increase its capability short of changing the VIN.
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Old 05-25-2020, 12:33 PM   #77
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The max numbers are achieved by the manufacturers hauling low trailers loaded with blocks which in no way can be compared to towing any RV other than total weight.
They're four-wheel trailers, which is the big deception. No tongue loading. That's where RV trailers overload first.
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They're four-wheel trailers, which is the big deception. No tongue loading. That's where RV trailers overload first.
http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/tow...-the-standard/
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Old 05-26-2020, 07:27 AM   #79
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At my old age, I have noticed that the younger crowd that jacks up trucks, drives every where as fast as possible than wants to go into the hills and test/abuse them almost always has 1/2 tons. When your talking about used 3/4 and 1 ton. My opinion is your much less likely to buy a used one that has been abused vs 1/2 tons.
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