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03-09-2016, 03:17 PM
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Just got my new rig weighed
We spent the past weekend out at the racetrack here in Vegas for the NASCAR weekend and as a shakedown dry camp for our new cougar 326rds. On the way home Monday I stopped in and had the rig weighed. Here are the numbers, what do you think am I good?
99 f350 dually 4x4 crew cab 373 gears 7.3 power stroke
2016 keystone cougar 326rds
Truck only
Total 7940
Rear. 3320
Truck and trailer
Steer axle 4700
Drive axle 5800
Trailer axle 10040
Total. 20540
These weights are with a full load of water and me and wife in truck. My truck has a gcwr of 20000 lbs but says it can tow up to 12700. I know I can shed a few pounds on the trailer and myself.
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03-09-2016, 03:39 PM
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Just got my new rig weighed
Should weight the trl by it self? Then you have the right weight for your truck to pull. Landing gear on one set of scales and the tires on the outher scale ....
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03-09-2016, 04:43 PM
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Looks like you have 2560 pin weight - Truck Hitch Weight 10500 with a 20.3 percentage of gross on the pin - total camper weight is 12,600lbs - total combined 20,540 lbs.
Here all you numbers http://towingplanner.com/ActualWeigh...&w2da=3320&a=2
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03-09-2016, 04:54 PM
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I don't know that you're good to go.
You're over gcvwr right off the bat with your weights. You said it had water, you and the wife. Is the trailer fully loaded as it would be for a trip?
Taking your vehicle weight before attaching the trailer (7940), adding your front and back axles when loaded (10500) then subtracting truck from loaded truck = 2560 of additional trailer weight on the truck. That 2560 added to the 10040 trailer axle weight appears to give you a trailer weight of 12600. Your max tow is 12700 so you're close. If the trailer isn't loaded for traveling then you may exceed your max towing rating.
If the trailer is loaded for travel maybe you could pull off a few pounds as you said. Even then you are much closer to max weights than I would want to travel at. Good luck and be careful.
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03-09-2016, 09:33 PM
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That was fully loaded. I have some extra stuff in there from our previous fiver that I never use and will be shedding that stuff as I can weed through it. truck was full of fuel and rig was full of water. Most of the water was in the grey and black tanks after a weekend of camping. I do probably 75% Rv park stays so I won't always be hauling that much water with me. I figure I will lose about 350 lbs of weight there.
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03-10-2016, 03:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bomberchamp
We spent the past weekend out at the racetrack here in Vegas for the NASCAR weekend and as a shakedown dry camp for our new cougar 326rds. On the way home Monday I stopped in and had the rig weighed. Here are the numbers, what do you think am I good?
99 f350 dually 4x4 crew cab 373 gears 7.3 power stroke
2016 keystone cougar 326rds
Truck only
Total 7940
Rear. 3320
Truck and trailer
Steer axle 4700
Drive axle 5800
Trailer axle 10040
Total. 20540
These weights are with a full load of water and me and wife in truck. My truck has a gcwr of 20000 lbs but says it can tow up to 12700. I know I can shed a few pounds on the trailer and myself.
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03-10-2016, 10:02 AM
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Water is 8.3#/gallon, so I don't fill the fresh tank more than half full unless I need to. I hate traveling with full black or gray tanks if It isn't necessary. You could probably eliminate that 500# just by managing the onboard water.
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03-10-2016, 11:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bomberchamp
We spent the past weekend out at the racetrack here in Vegas for the NASCAR weekend and as a shakedown dry camp for our new cougar 326rds. On the way home Monday I stopped in and had the rig weighed. Here are the numbers, what do you think am I good?
99 f350 dually 4x4 crew cab 373 gears 7.3 power stroke
2016 keystone cougar 326rds
Truck only
Total 7940
Rear. 3320
Truck with trailer 10500 minus truck 7940 = tlr pin 2560
Trailer pin 2560 plus trailer axle 10040 = tlr 12600 TLR GVW IS 12240
Truck and trailer
Steer axle 4700
Drive axle 5800
Trailer axle 10040
Total. 20540
These weights are with a full load of water and me and wife in truck. My truck has a gcwr of 20000 lbs but says it can tow up to 12700. I know I can shed a few pounds on the trailer and myself.
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"Running the numbers" it looks like your truck weighs 7940, your trailer pin weighs 2560 and the axles weigh 10040, for a total of 12600. The total truck weight, 10500 pounds is likely close (but not over) your truck's GVW. The 2016 Cougar 326RDS has a GVW (per the website) of 12240, so you are probably overloaded per the GVW of your trailer. With "factory Chinese tires" that may be a significant issue for you to consider. (See my calculations in blue within your quoted post).
There are three figures that "matter". First is GVW, the maximum weight your truck can weigh. This includes all cargo, passenger and the trailer pin/tongue weight. You're probably OK on truck GVW, but at or over on trailer GVW. I'd suggest weighing your trailer alone, but the numbers above "don't lie" in adding up to a trailer that's overloaded per GVW.
Next is GCWR, the maximum weight your truck AND trailer can weigh. This weight, as with the GVW, includes all cargo, passengers and anything else you add to either the truck or trailer.
Finally, the "maximum trailer weight" (often misunderstood) which is the maximum trailer weight the truck series can tow. It is not "vehicle specific" in that it isn't an "absolute weight" for your specific truck, but rather is the "absolute weight" for all trucks in the series. Imagine that your GCWR is 20,000 pounds and your truck weighs 7000 pounds, then you could tow a trailer weighing "up to 13000 pounds" (Ford limits it to 12700 per your post) and be "under or at" your GCWR of 20K, but if your truck weighs 8500 pounds with cargo and passengers, you'd be "under or at" your GCWR with a trailer weighing 11500 pounds. So in that situation, you are limited to a trailer weighing "less than the advertised maximum"....
Hopefully that explanation makes sense to you...
Now, as for "physically and mechanically" capable of towing a trailer, your truck can likely act as forward mechanical movement (towing) vehicle for a trailer weighing well over 30,000 pounds. You'll have no "mechanical inability" to tow your trailer even with the rig GCW at 20,540 as you sit on the scale. Your truck will "tow" your trailer without problem. You can easily lose some weight to get "at or under" the GCWR and at 12,600 pounds, being "under the max trailer weight" you're "overweight" because the entire rig weighs more than 20,000 pounds. THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOUR TRUCK IS NOT CAPABLE OF PULLING YOUR TRAILER SAFELY, nor does it mean that you'll have mechanical problems because of the "extra 540 pounds."
What it does mean, and this is my opinion, is that "IF" you should ever slide into the back of a school bus on a wet road, or otherwise have an accident, if the investigators are able to determine that your rig was not within the weight limits established by the manufacturer, you COULD BE (not will be) open to legal problems, and may be faced with civil and criminal charges. There are reports of insurance companies "abandoning" people and or limiting their monetary limits, exposing people to civil lawsuits that could be financially devastating.
So, to answer your question, I'm of the opinion that mechanically, you'll be "good to go" with your rig as it sits, but from a personal responsibility and "legal standpoint" you (and only you) can make the decision whether you wish to take the risks involved with being 540 pounds overweight, even though your truck is under GVW and your trailer is also under GVW...
Tough decision, one that you might want to think about from "all the angles" before you reach a final conclusion...
Whatever your decision, I'd urge you to look very closely at the tire loading on your trailer. You may, inadvertently have overloaded your "Chinese may pops" putting you at risk of significant damage from a blowout at highway speeds.
Good Luck
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03-10-2016, 12:03 PM
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It has been a few years since reading the stickers on that truck but, I recall the dually was GVWR 12,500 lbs.
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03-10-2016, 12:12 PM
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Although I had a 99 F250, I don't have any of the data from that year available. The 2000 data for GVW is: F250 8800, F350SRW 9700/9900, F350DRW 11000/11200
Data above from page 68: https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...0/bbfsd00a.pdf
ADDED: Looking back in the reference data, there is one model of the 350 DRW that is 12500, so the OP's truck "might" have that large a GVW or it could be 11000/11200. Only the gray and white sticker knows for sure LOL
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03-10-2016, 05:58 PM
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Like desert said, manage that water. We do NASCAR as well. I usually dump black and gray and fill with fresh water at the overnight stop before getting to the track. We can go 4 days on fresh, black, and gray. Last race at Bristol I knew we would be pulling through the mountains afterwards, so I paid to have the black and gray tanks "pumped" at the track. Check on that next time at Vegas.
If you're that close to GCVW, I would look at a tire upgrade.
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03-11-2016, 03:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bomberchamp
We spent the past weekend out at the racetrack here in Vegas for the NASCAR weekend and as a shakedown dry camp for our new cougar 326rds. On the way home Monday I stopped in and had the rig weighed. Here are the numbers, what do you think am I good?
99 f350 dually 4x4 crew cab 373 gears 7.3 power stroke
2016 keystone cougar 326rds
Truck only
Total 7940
Rear. 3320
Truck and trailer
Steer axle 4700
Drive axle 5800
Trailer axle 10040
Total. 20540
These weights are with a full load of water and me and wife in truck. My truck has a gcwr of 20000 lbs but says it can tow up to 12700. I know I can shed a few pounds on the trailer and myself.
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Originally Posted by JRTJH
Although I had a 99 F250, I don't have any of the data from that year available. The 2000 data for GVW is: F250 8800, F350SRW 9700/9900, F350DRW 11000/11200
Data above from page 68: https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...0/bbfsd00a.pdf
ADDED: Looking back in the reference data, there is one model of the 350 DRW that is 12500, so the OP's truck "might" have that large a GVW or it could be 11000/11200. Only the yellow sticker knows for sure LOL
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JRTJH, first off the "Yellow Sticker" didn't come along until 2006, the OP's TV, was when we were assumed to have enough math skills to figure your own available payload. The best use for the Yellow sticker is an idea what you have on the dealers lot before you start putting your stuff in it.
To the OP's situation well yes over the GCWR of the TV by 540# and Over the 5er GVWR by 400#, GVWR of 5er from Keystone site 12,240. Based on scale numbers the 5er weighs 12,640.
The stock tires are 235/80-16E's If LTs then 3,042# each for 12,168# capacity on the tires.
Yep you are Maxed, but if all tows comfortably, you are only over a few pounds, and that 5er has a very low payload, only 1,740#!
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03-11-2016, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rhagfo
JRTJH, first off the "Yellow Sticker" didn't come along until 2006, the OP's TV, was when we were assumed to have enough math skills to figure your own available payload. The best use for the Yellow sticker is an idea what you have on the dealers lot before you start putting your stuff in it.
To the OP's situation well yes over the GCWR of the TV by 540# and Over the 5er GVWR by 400#, GVWR of 5er from Keystone site 12,240. Based on scale numbers the 5er weighs 12,640.
The stock tires are 235/80-16E's If LTs then 3,042# each for 12,168# capacity on the tires.
Yep you are Maxed, but if all tows comfortably, you are only over a few pounds, and that 5er has a very low payload, only 1,740#!
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I stand corrected, thanks, and have edited "yellow sticker" to "gray and white sticker" in my previous post !!! Not that it changes a darn thing, but now it's fixed
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04-24-2016, 07:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRTJH
"Running the numbers" it looks like your truck weighs 7940, your trailer pin weighs 2560 and the axles weigh 10040, for a total of 12600. The total truck weight, 10500 pounds is likely close (but not over) your truck's GVW. The 2016 Cougar 326RDS has a GVW (per the website) of 12240, so you are probably overloaded per the GVW of your trailer. With "factory Chinese tires" that may be a significant issue for you to consider. (See my calculations in blue within your quoted post).
There are three figures that "matter". First is GVW, the maximum weight your truck can weigh. This includes all cargo, passenger and the trailer pin/tongue weight. You're probably OK on truck GVW, but at or over on trailer GVW. I'd suggest weighing your trailer alone, but the numbers above "don't lie" in adding up to a trailer that's overloaded per GVW.
Next is GCWR, the maximum weight your truck AND trailer can weigh. This weight, as with the GVW, includes all cargo, passengers and anything else you add to either the truck or trailer.
Finally, the "maximum trailer weight" (often misunderstood) which is the maximum trailer weight the truck series can tow. It is not "vehicle specific" in that it isn't an "absolute weight" for your specific truck, but rather is the "absolute weight" for all trucks in the series. Imagine that your GCWR is 20,000 pounds and your truck weighs 7000 pounds, then you could tow a trailer weighing "up to 13000 pounds" (Ford limits it to 12700 per your post) and be "under or at" your GCWR of 20K, but if your truck weighs 8500 pounds with cargo and passengers, you'd be "under or at" your GCWR with a trailer weighing 11500 pounds. So in that situation, you are limited to a trailer weighing "less than the advertised maximum"....
Hopefully that explanation makes sense to you...
Now, as for "physically and mechanically" capable of towing a trailer, your truck can likely act as forward mechanical movement (towing) vehicle for a trailer weighing well over 30,000 pounds. You'll have no "mechanical inability" to tow your trailer even with the rig GCW at 20,540 as you sit on the scale. Your truck will "tow" your trailer without problem. You can easily lose some weight to get "at or under" the GCWR and at 12,600 pounds, being "under the max trailer weight" you're "overweight" because the entire rig weighs more than 20,000 pounds. THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOUR TRUCK IS NOT CAPABLE OF PULLING YOUR TRAILER SAFELY, nor does it mean that you'll have mechanical problems because of the "extra 540 pounds."
What it does mean, and this is my opinion, is that "IF" you should ever slide into the back of a school bus on a wet road, or otherwise have an accident, if the investigators are able to determine that your rig was not within the weight limits established by the manufacturer, you COULD BE (not will be) open to legal problems, and may be faced with civil and criminal charges. There are reports of insurance companies "abandoning" people and or limiting their monetary limits, exposing people to civil lawsuits that could be financially devastating.
So, to answer your question, I'm of the opinion that mechanically, you'll be "good to go" with your rig as it sits, but from a personal responsibility and "legal standpoint" you (and only you) can make the decision whether you wish to take the risks involved with being 540 pounds overweight, even though your truck is under GVW and your trailer is also under GVW...
Tough decision, one that you might want to think about from "all the angles" before you reach a final conclusion...
Whatever your decision, I'd urge you to look very closely at the tire loading on your trailer. You may, inadvertently have overloaded your "Chinese may pops" putting you at risk of significant damage from a blowout at highway speeds.
Good Luck
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Anyone can sue anyone for anything. Chances are, it's who's at fault. If you take a corner wide or are speeding then yes, could be held liable. Nevertheless,if the other guy is at fault, then he could be liable. It woks both ways. Now if the weight causes a blow out, or broken axle and causes an accident, then you're at fault. The same weight ratings also apply to cars..
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