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08-11-2018, 03:21 PM
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Black tank over fill ?
I recently over filled the black water tank and didn't realize it (because gauge never works) until I noticed the under belly cover bulging and water dripping out. Is that the way they are designed to over flow or is there something wrong on top of the tank? I thought it would have backup in the toilet. I do have the cover partially removed and washed out just waiting for it to dry out.
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08-11-2018, 03:33 PM
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Actually, there should be two relief options to the black tank. The bowl and the vent.
Can't help much with the tank bulging an leaking. Only thing I would try at this point is removing koroplast under the tank and refilling it while watching for the issue to present itself. While you have things accessible up you might check into why your tank level indicators don't work. They are usually easy to troubleshoot and fix once you have the bottom opened up.
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08-11-2018, 03:37 PM
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Welcome to the forum
Your black tank doesn’t have an “overflow”. I take it you were using the rinser? If you were just using the tank under normal conditions and it should have backed up to the toilet as you flushed it. If you were using the rinser, then it will fill the tank, and depending on how far the vent tube is inserted it will start pressurizing the tank. It won’t come out the toilet because there is a seal.
What exactly were you “doing” when you noticed the problem?
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08-11-2018, 04:13 PM
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We were actually filling the tank through the toilet with a garden hose to add a tank & sensor cleaner before hitting the road. The tank was fuller than expected and over filled it . May have pushed the seal you mention out.
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08-11-2018, 04:27 PM
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If you had a garden hose down the toilet then it would have backed up into the bowl. The bowl would be “open” with the hose holding the “flap” ajar.
I’m afraid you may have bigger issues. I would take enough of the underbelly off for a good look at the tank. Drain and refill, watching for leaks.
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08-11-2018, 05:31 PM
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The black tank is a "closed container" meaning it will not leak "poo" into the underbelly under normal circumstances. As long as the system is working as designed, the only place contents should be capable of exiting the tank is the drain valve. There are two other openings, the toilet connection and the rooftop vent connection. Both of those should not vent tank contents to the outside. So, if your tank is leaking into the underbelly, you've either got a loose connection or a split tank. There are other "permanently closed" connections to the black tank, the flush port and the sensor ports, but they typically are not going to leak.
As suggested above, I'd take a long, thorough look at the tank sides and top as well as both the toilet and vent fittings, where they enter the black tank. What you're experiencing is not normal, is a health hazard and shouldn't occur.
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08-11-2018, 08:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CJ7Bob
We were actually filling the tank through the toilet with a garden hose to add a tank & sensor cleaner before hitting the road. The tank was fuller than expected and over filled it . May have pushed the seal you mention out.
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Once you've repaired your black, the next time add a healthy squirt of Dawn dish soap & a couple gallons of water, through the toilet flush pedal, travel to next spot, this works great at cleaning the tank, good luck with the sensors telling you anything except a couple of the little red lights work.
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08-11-2018, 08:42 PM
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Toilet and vent connections looked good but I think it is a split at the top corner of the tank. Previous owner may have caused it with the tank sprayer, he told me he used it all the time.
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08-12-2018, 04:32 AM
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is your tank cracked? water in the belly? is it black or gray water--the smell.
as for gagues, they never work. figure out when to dump and do it! we can go at least 2 weeks but it is just the 2 of us.
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08-12-2018, 04:39 AM
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Just a note, my gauges work as designed. Always have, from day 1. Not all of the sensor applications are crap. Some or many is more descriptive and correct. YMMV. Mine doesn't.
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08-12-2018, 05:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ctbruce
Just a note, my gauges work as designed. Always have, from day 1. Not all of the sensor applications are crap. Some or many is more descriptive and correct. YMMV. Mine doesn't.
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X2. And 99% of the RVs I have worked on.
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08-12-2018, 03:12 PM
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After getting back under it again this morning I did find the crack on top of the tank. It is pretty accessible so I'll start looking for a good tank patch kit. The gauge on the black water tank has showed full since the day I brought it used, I checked connection on them while under it. I put about 5 gallons of hot water in the tank, let it set about 30 minutes ran the spray bar, still showed full. Put 20 lbs of crushed ice and a couple gallons of water and pulled trailer 150 miles, must have cleaned the sensors off it seems to be working again.
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08-12-2018, 05:52 PM
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Good deal on both counts.
Just had a class C that gray wouldn’t read at all. Hot water/ Dawn ultra and a drive around the block....BAM!!
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2012 Copper Canyon 273FWRET being towed by a 1994 Ford F350 CC,LB,Dually diesel.
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Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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08-19-2018, 09:41 AM
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Long story short
A couple of years ago while flushing black tank on a Jayco Designer I got distracted by a Neighbor and over filled my black tank until it spread the rails and fell out the bottom breaking the pipes and ripping the koroplast. It shot poo out the top vent and all over the awning and roof. What a mess.
Mel
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08-19-2018, 01:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mhbell
A couple of years ago while flushing black tank on a Jayco Designer I got distracted by a Neighbor and over filled my black tank until it spread the rails and fell out the bottom breaking the pipes and ripping the koroplast. It shot poo out the top vent and all over the awning and roof. What a mess.
Mel
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Hate to admit it but I did the same thing on our last trailer. When I opened the valve the pressure straightened out drain hose and cleaned the tank GOOD. But waste water forced its way between floor covering and floor in the bath that I did not see until floor got soft. Moral of story don't get distracted when flushing tanks. Also as a side note tank indicators have worked on all my trailers for past 15 years.
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08-19-2018, 05:05 PM
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I am sure all of this can be avoided if you keep the valve open when using the tank flush.
Ours says right on it leave the valve open.
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08-19-2018, 06:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CJ7Bob
I recently over filled the black water tank and didn't realize it (because gauge never works) until I noticed the under belly cover bulging and water dripping out. Is that the way they are designed to over flow or is there something wrong on top of the tank? I thought it would have backup in the toilet. I do have the cover partially removed and washed out just waiting for it to dry out.
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Haven't had an issue with blank tank overfill since I stopped going to the Mexican resturant on the all you can eat beef and bean burrito night.
Soorry, couldn't stop myself (pun intendid).
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08-19-2018, 10:51 PM
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Yup, all my tanks & sensors have worked from day one for 5 plus years...…. they just have not worked properly!!!
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08-20-2018, 04:11 AM
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Junior Member
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Tank repair
Ther is a product online call Plasti Mend it works very well on the plastic that the tanks are made of. I used it on m black water tank. It sets up very fast. Comes as a kit.
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08-20-2018, 07:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mhbell
A couple of years ago while flushing black tank on a Jayco Designer I got distracted by a Neighbor and over filled my black tank until it spread the rails and fell out the bottom breaking the pipes and ripping the koroplast. It shot poo out the top vent and all over the awning and roof. What a mess.
Mel
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I set an 8 minute timer on my phone. I've verified that with my hose and the pressure regulator on it, that's how long i need for a good fill, so i can flush.
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