Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×
 

Go Back   Keystone RV Forums > Keystone Community Forums > Freeways & Byways
Click Here to Login

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 05-30-2012, 08:13 AM   #1
Benrubid
Junior Member
 
Benrubid's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 27
Propane tanks

I recently went on a trip from New Jersey to Viginia. As I was about to go through the Baltimore tunnel I saw the sign for Hazmat restrictions with a picture of what looked like a propane tank. I have seen a few posts about this, but nothing that was clear. having two propane tanks on my Fuzion, do I have to follow these rules and not go through tunnels, etc, or are campers/RVs exempt and this is more for commercial rigs with large quantities.

Thank you
Benrubid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2012, 08:29 AM   #2
johnnyrose
Member
 
johnnyrose's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Cameron, NC
Posts: 69
Benrubid,

I would put a call in to the highway patrol and ask. I have had similar questions and just one phone call cleared it up beyond a reasonable doubt. Good luck!
__________________

Johnny and Kelley Rose + 4 kids and 2 dogs!
2005 Cougar 254 EFS (Whispering eye)
2005 Ford F-250 Lariat Supercab 6.0L Diesel
johnnyrose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2012, 08:32 AM   #3
hankpage
Site Team
 
hankpage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Venice
Posts: 5,346
This is copied directly from the Maryland State web page:

The Transport of Hazardous Materials Across our Toll Facilities

Code of Maryland Regulations (COMAR) govern the transport of hazardous materials across our toll facilities. Under these regulations, vehicles carrying bottled propane gas in excess of 10 pounds per container (maximum of 10 containers), bulk gasoline, explosives, significant amounts of radioactive materials, and other hazardous materials are prohibited from using the Fort McHenry Tunnel (I-95) or the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel (I-895). The Francis Scott Key Bridge (I-695, the Baltimore Beltway) is a convenient alternative route for crossing Baltimore's Harbor.

Visit the Division of State Documents' website at www.dsd.state.md.us/comar/ to view the actual COMAR regulations: Title 11, Subtitle 7, Chapter 1 (11.07.01).

As stated above use I-695 as a get around. I prefer the western route (Towards Townsend) sp.??? seems shorter and less hills. This will only add about 12 miles to your trip. Always check with the governing authority for any highway restrictions and don't listen to folks that say "My friend does it all the time" or "I do it." If you have my kind of luck YOU WILL GET "In a heap of trouble for sure boy". JM2¢, Hank
__________________
Hank & Lynn
2007 Cougar 290RKS, E-Z Flex, 16" XPS RIBs ( SOLD .. Gonna miss her ... looking for new 5r)
2004.5 Dodge 2500 QC, LB, 5.9HO, WestTach gauges, Ride-Rite
hankpage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2012, 09:11 AM   #4
chris199
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: PA
Posts: 620
just made this trip

Just went from SE PA to Cherry Hill CG in DC going down 95. Had to run around the tunnel via 695. Agree that the West route via Townsend is a good route. Some traffic and construction (lanes narrow) but overall OK.
__________________
Chris and Patty

2015 Keystone Montana 3791RD Legacy Edition, MorRyde 4000, Dual pane windows, Goodyear G rated tires.

2013 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, SLE, SRW, Crew, Hensley Trailer Saver hitch, Blue Ox BedSaver.
chris199 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2012, 09:58 AM   #5
fla-gypsy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: North Florida
Posts: 1,241
The restriction is 10 lbs per cylinder. Unless you are running both tanks very low then you have to go around per the regulations
__________________
2006 Keystone Hornet 29RLS (The Cracker Cabana)
2009 F-250 SuperDuty CC 6.8L/4.10 (The Black Pearl)
fla-gypsy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2012, 11:17 AM   #6
hankpage
Site Team
 
hankpage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Venice
Posts: 5,346
Quote:
Originally Posted by fla-gypsy View Post
The restriction is 10 lbs per cylinder. Unless you are running both tanks very low then you have to go around per the regulations
You have to go around unless you you want to be stopped, inspected, asked to prove how much propane is in each container, cause a traffic jam as the state police turn you around at the entrance of the tunnel and face a stiff fine. We live in a post 9/11 world folks ..... explosive materials in tunnels and on bridges is regulated for a reason. It's 12 miles around ..... Why risk it???????
Correction: It is about 21 miles around but only 12 miles longer.
__________________
Hank & Lynn
2007 Cougar 290RKS, E-Z Flex, 16" XPS RIBs ( SOLD .. Gonna miss her ... looking for new 5r)
2004.5 Dodge 2500 QC, LB, 5.9HO, WestTach gauges, Ride-Rite
hankpage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2012, 11:33 AM   #7
SAABDOCTOR
Senior Member
 
SAABDOCTOR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: WESTERN,CT
Posts: 2,095
YES YOU MUST GO AROUND OR WE WILL SEE YOU WHEN THEY SAY "RV CAUSES MASSIVE TRFFIC JAM.. FILM AT 11" DON'T BE THAT GUY NOTHING WORSE THAN A PIS$# OFF STATE TROOPER!
__________________
BARNEY AND CHRISTINE
2010 MONTANA 3750FL
2005 DODGE 3500 DUALLY TD
2 RESCUE PUPS: SUSITNA AND CRYSTAL. RIP ALYESKA!
SAABDOCTOR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2012, 12:11 PM   #8
rjsurfer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 452
Funny I have used that tunnel 10-15 times over the years and never thought about stopping, I always see others going though as well.

Ron W.
rjsurfer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2012, 12:35 PM   #9
msp2jxr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Crossville
Posts: 305
It really didn't mention if that was gross or net? If it gross then yes you will have to go around the tunnel. If it is net I really doubt there is 10# of liquid propane in the tank. And again it would not be up to you to prove there is not 10 pounds; it would be up to them to prove there is more than ten pounds. They would then need to check the tank at its present weight and then empty the tank and re-weight it. I have never seen a police cruiser with a propane recovery system on board either. I think the chances are in your favor. However it only takes on overzealous patrolman
__________________
Jay and Lori
2016 Impact 311
2015 Cougar 337 FLS (retired)
2012 Cougar 326MKS (retired)
Mor-Ryde Pin Box
2015 Super Duty F350 6.7 4x4 King Ranch
2008 Super Duty F250 6.4 Diesel 4x4 Lariat (retired)
2005 Goldwing
msp2jxr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2012, 12:56 PM   #10
SAABDOCTOR
Senior Member
 
SAABDOCTOR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: WESTERN,CT
Posts: 2,095
Have you looked at a propane tank? the tw is the empty weight and a scale will work just fine no need for recovery. and a ticked off trooper is not a good thing. just go around. if your tank is full it has way over 10 pounds in it. so like an over loaded truck yes people do it all the time but when they get caught what i didn't know yatta yatta yatta.
__________________
BARNEY AND CHRISTINE
2010 MONTANA 3750FL
2005 DODGE 3500 DUALLY TD
2 RESCUE PUPS: SUSITNA AND CRYSTAL. RIP ALYESKA!
SAABDOCTOR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2012, 01:09 PM   #11
hankpage
Site Team
 
hankpage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Venice
Posts: 5,346
Quote:
Originally Posted by rjsurfer View Post
Funny I have used that tunnel 10-15 times over the years and never thought about stopping, I always see others going though as well.

Ron W.
I exceed the speed limit every day ...... Doesn't make it right.

To the OP ...... If you go through the tunnel and get stopped. Tell the trooper that rjsurfer said it was okay.
The old rules were you could go through if your tanks were turned off and they never checked. The latest rules are stated above. I rest my case.
__________________
Hank & Lynn
2007 Cougar 290RKS, E-Z Flex, 16" XPS RIBs ( SOLD .. Gonna miss her ... looking for new 5r)
2004.5 Dodge 2500 QC, LB, 5.9HO, WestTach gauges, Ride-Rite
hankpage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2012, 02:35 PM   #12
chris199
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: PA
Posts: 620
I think there was a major fire in that tunnel

I wouldn't mess with them. If I'm not mistaken, I remember something about a major fire in that tunnel 2-3 years back. Who wants the hassle for 2 gallons of gas...besides..what's wrong with just "doing what's right"?
__________________
Chris and Patty

2015 Keystone Montana 3791RD Legacy Edition, MorRyde 4000, Dual pane windows, Goodyear G rated tires.

2013 GMC Sierra 3500HD, Duramax, SLE, SRW, Crew, Hensley Trailer Saver hitch, Blue Ox BedSaver.
chris199 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2012, 04:32 PM   #13
hankaye
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Arrey,
Posts: 2,368
Howdy All;

When I was last employed it was as an Over the Road Truck Driver. The
company that I worked for 'pulled' HazMat as the primary cargo.

The part of the md. Code for Md. that hankpage quoted earlier states;

Code of Maryland Regulations (COMAR) govern the transport of hazardous materials across our toll facilities. Under these regulations, vehicles carrying bottled propane gas in excess of 10 pounds per container (maximum of 10 containers), bulk gasoline, explosives, significant amounts of radioactive materials, and other hazardous materials are prohibited from using the Fort McHenry Tunnel (I-95) or the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel (I-895). The Francis Scott Key Bridge (I-695, the Baltimore Beltway) is a convenient alternative route for crossing Baltimore's Harbor.

That's slightly more than 2 gal of liquid propane the rest of the tank is full of the explosive gasious propane (under pressure), ..... think about that for a moment.
More questions? Call the regional or State Office;

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/about/conta...eldroster.aspx

Now then, when you start to argue with the trooper, he will invoke the Federal Statues..... Then you will be looking at fines that start in the neighborhood of $12,000.00 minimum......
What's the extra 12 miles of fuel/gas going to cost ??? $10.00 ?????

Just a few things to think about...

hankaye
__________________
Striving for a less complicated life since 1949 ...

Home: 2008 Cougar 278 RKS
T.V.: 2004 F-250 4X4, Level III BulletProofed , Detroit Tru-Track Differential (915A550)
Dog: 2006 Border Collie (Rascal) aka Maximum fur dispersal unit. (08/04/2006 - 12/16/2017) RIP.
hankaye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2012, 01:33 AM   #14
rjsurfer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 452
Quote:
Originally Posted by hankpage View Post
I exceed the speed limit every day ...... Doesn't make it right.

To the OP ...... If you go through the tunnel and get stopped. Tell the trooper that rjsurfer said it was okay.
The old rules were you could go through if your tanks were turned off and they never checked. The latest rules are stated above. I rest my case.
It looks like I should take my large "rjsurfer" graphics off the side of the camper

Ron
rjsurfer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2012, 07:01 AM   #15
hankpage
Site Team
 
hankpage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Venice
Posts: 5,346
Quote:
Originally Posted by rjsurfer View Post
It looks like I should take my large "rjsurfer" graphics off the side of the camper

Ron
Ron, Thank you for having a sense of humor. I am now stepping down off my soapbox. Hank
__________________
Hank & Lynn
2007 Cougar 290RKS, E-Z Flex, 16" XPS RIBs ( SOLD .. Gonna miss her ... looking for new 5r)
2004.5 Dodge 2500 QC, LB, 5.9HO, WestTach gauges, Ride-Rite
hankpage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2012, 07:05 AM   #16
hankaye
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Arrey,
Posts: 2,368
Howdy All;

I'll climb down off of my , as well...

hankaye
__________________
Striving for a less complicated life since 1949 ...

Home: 2008 Cougar 278 RKS
T.V.: 2004 F-250 4X4, Level III BulletProofed , Detroit Tru-Track Differential (915A550)
Dog: 2006 Border Collie (Rascal) aka Maximum fur dispersal unit. (08/04/2006 - 12/16/2017) RIP.
hankaye is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2012, 08:16 AM   #17
SAABDOCTOR
Senior Member
 
SAABDOCTOR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: WESTERN,CT
Posts: 2,095
Went out to the garage this morning and looked at my camper, Holy %$&$ someone put RJSURFER Grafics on the side of it ...who coulda done that?
__________________
BARNEY AND CHRISTINE
2010 MONTANA 3750FL
2005 DODGE 3500 DUALLY TD
2 RESCUE PUPS: SUSITNA AND CRYSTAL. RIP ALYESKA!
SAABDOCTOR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2012, 02:19 PM   #18
msp2jxr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Crossville
Posts: 305
Just curious… with more and more vehicles moving to other sources of fuel does this mean a car or truck running on propane would not be able to use the tunnel?
__________________
Jay and Lori
2016 Impact 311
2015 Cougar 337 FLS (retired)
2012 Cougar 326MKS (retired)
Mor-Ryde Pin Box
2015 Super Duty F350 6.7 4x4 King Ranch
2008 Super Duty F250 6.4 Diesel 4x4 Lariat (retired)
2005 Goldwing
msp2jxr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2012, 02:48 PM   #19
geo
Senior Member
 
geo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: North Texas
Posts: 1,000
Quote:
Originally Posted by msp2jxr View Post
Just curious… with more and more vehicles moving to other sources of fuel does this mean a car or truck running on propane would not be able to use the tunnel?
Yup, that's about the size of it. It would be a no-no for vehicles powered by LPG (propane, butane), CNG, LNG, fuel cell, or any thing else of an explosive or extremely inflammable nature. Least that the way the rules sound like.

Ron
__________________
2011 Alpine 3640RL (Beauty)
(Gone! Now replaced by Beauty3)
2016 Ford F-450 (The Beast)
Diesel 4x4, DRW, LB, CC
Comfort Ride Hitch
geo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-31-2012, 02:51 PM   #20
hankaye
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Arrey,
Posts: 2,368
msp2jxr, Howdy;

Until the regulations permit it my best guess
is ... yep.
Would apply to the cng's (Compressed
Natural Gas), as well.

hankaye
__________________
Striving for a less complicated life since 1949 ...

Home: 2008 Cougar 278 RKS
T.V.: 2004 F-250 4X4, Level III BulletProofed , Detroit Tru-Track Differential (915A550)
Dog: 2006 Border Collie (Rascal) aka Maximum fur dispersal unit. (08/04/2006 - 12/16/2017) RIP.
hankaye is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Keystone RV Company or any of its affiliates in any way. Keystone RV® is a registered trademark of the Keystone RV Company.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.