And we wonder why people tow too much….

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by aricker243

Truck classifications 2/3 and the arbitrary 10K separation point are antiquated relics of yesteryear like rotary telephones.... so are the designations 1500/2500/3500.

Truck classification mean NOTHING to a non commercial "pickup" truck owner. Petty soon there will be only ONE HD truck designation..... (choose your GVW)
don't worry, you can still get a paper de-rate for those people that need to save the $100 on registration....... pffft

only here... on this forum would the weight police complain about having too much payload. I guess it's going to be hard to tell who's overweight now?

Where do you get your information from?

[sourdough]

The "payload" (ability to carry) aspect of towing vs the "tow capacity" (ability to pull) conversation is a long one. Unfortunately it is one that the manufacturers love to, and continue to, play on. At the same time they play on potential truck buyer's complete ignorance of HOW to tow so they shoot for the biggest, most misleading numbers to lure unsuspecting (trusting) buyers into the wrong vehicles, ie: "the salesman said it could PULL anything on the lot" etc. Those tactics are wrong but unlike someone playing dirty pool you can't whack 'em with a cue stick, they just keep on keeping on trying to muddy the waters and confuse buyers - a dangerous game to play.....for those unsuspecting, trusting buyers.

Enter GM; now, in an effort to completely muddy and blur any kind of differentiation in trucks (IMO) it appears they are just doing away with designations completely (from what I can tell). They are now trying to make 1/2 tons look like 1 tons with no badging or anything else. A potential owner, LEO or other person has no idea what that truck is unless you open the door and look at the gvw/payload - GM just tries to make them look "big" to a newbie and never even mentions the shortcomings of the vehicle; nah, they don't need to.....the salesman will shoot straight with the new buyer to keep them safe.....yeah, right.

IMO it's a dangerous, low ball way to do business and puts even more importance on a new buyer doing their homework and knowing what towing is all about; that crash course in towing most definitely can't come from a salesman, but it will, and it will just keep getting worse. IMO LEOs across the country should target newer GM trucks without badging and weigh every one they see towing. Impound them if overweight - maybe GM will get the hint and start to at least try to give new buyers some idea of what they are getting with model designations vs this game of chance. JMO/YMMV I'm sure.

[Ribtip]

I think what gm did was something some people here
Do not want to here about a 2500. I am laughing as I'm Typing this. It's the same as the older trucks low payload vr's today's trucks

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by Ribtip

I think what gm did was something some people here
Do not want to here about a 2500. I am laughing as I'm Typing this. It's the same as the older trucks low payload vr's today's trucks

I know that some don't want to hear that a 2500 is not a one ton but that's just the way it is. Playing with the numbers at the expense of those that don't know isn't a "chuckling" matter in reality.

[Ribtip]

Never said a 2500 was a 3500. I don't think they are playing with numbers it's just the next step of moving up to what the trucks are probably already capable of. Just not legally if your sticker is a 10000lb one.

[Vinnie]

LOL that's exactly my trailer, in the ad, I think! That damn thing is the reason I bought a dually! With an empty/new pin weight of 2400+lbs, that cargo capacity got eaten up ridiculously quick. Silly ad

[NMRandy]

If your RV has 6 wheels, your truck should too!!

[77cruiser]

Some do some don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iFkKRh5kcM

[notanlines]

Jim, some of that equipment is a hell of a lot bigger than we ever worked on!

[dutchmensport]

It's times like this I'm glad I have a 3500 diesel dualy long bed crew cab.... and a residential refrigerator! It works for me, that's all that matters.

[crk112]

Originally Posted by 77cruiser

Now THAT must be fun to back into a dock...

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by 77cruiser

Some do some don't.

Talk about deceptive advertising! Why does "Boob Tube" have to photoshop and exaggerate stories? That pic shows a road train a mile long. Watch the video and the longest road train in the world is 6 trailers and 160' long. That pic is just about as silly as thr "transparent" fiver (anyone else notice you can see the trees thu it?) pulled by the little "I think I can" truck.

It's enjoyable if taken into context.

[Javi]

Honestly, I've never wondered.. In most cases it is painfully evident.

[77cruiser]

Yea they tend to exaggerate like few here.

[Dan Lockwood]

Originally Posted by jfk69

That’s bull$hit. It’s ok to be a fanboy, but it’s like fishing stories. First liar always loses.

All fishermen are liars except for you and me, and some times I wonder about you...

[aricker243]

Originally Posted by sourdough

I know that some don't want to hear that a 2500 is not a one ton but that's just the way it is. Playing with the numbers at the expense of those that don't know isn't a "chuckling" matter in reality.

I don't understand your "logic" here?

GM builds a 100% brand new HD platform, (with little to no carry over from previous gen) with upgraded capacities across the board and you complain about it?

you've posted here 12,000 times... and the majority of those is telling people "You don't have enough truck, "You're unsafe", "You're overweight", "you're going to kill yourself and all you loved ones"

GM recognized that building an HD diesel truck with only 2,000 payload was a waste of time in todays "SUPER SIZE" modern world, let alone irresponsible and un-safe.

I said this before, truck classifications 2/3 are meaningless, antiquated, and a relic of yesteryear.

Change is inevitable... and this is just the opening salvo, Ford and Ram will follow (with 1 ups).... basically putting the weight police out of business for good.

If you don't like change, well then you probably won't like the mid cycle enhancement on GM trucks. hint.... don't be looking for the gear shift in its usual place.

[wiredgeorge]

Originally Posted by aricker243

I don't understand your "logic" here?

GM builds a 100% brand new HD platform, (with little to no carry over from previous gen) with upgraded capacities across the board and you complain about it?

you've posted here 12,000 times... and the majority of those is telling people "You don't have enough truck, "You're unsafe", "You're overweight", "you're going to kill yourself and all you loved ones"

GM recognized that building an HD diesel truck with only 2,000 payload was a waste of time in todays "SUPER SIZE" modern world, let alone irresponsible and un-safe.

I said this before, truck classifications 2/3 are meaningless, antiquated, and a relic of yesteryear.

Change is inevitable... and this is just the opening salvo, Ford and Ram will follow (with 1 ups).... basically putting the weight police out of business for good.

If you don't like change, well then you probably won't like the mid cycle enhancement on GM trucks. hint.... don't be looking for the gear shift in its usual place.

Danny is looking at the majority of 3/4 ton trucks with low payloads. It is encouraging to hear that auto makers are upping the ante with payload but the majority of trucks on the road haven't benefited from these updates. And the price of the trucks rolling out these days will keep folks driving older models (like myself). Tossing the weight police moniker out as a dig isn't really necessary as Danny and others including myself are concerned by the number of new camper owners who are dangerously overloaded. Who is going to fill them in? The car lot or camper salesman? Some actually benefit from real world expertise from guys like Danny.

[roadglide]

Originally Posted by Ribtip

Never said a 2500 was a 3500. I don't think they are playing with numbers it's just the next step of moving up to what the trucks are probably already capable of. Just not legally if your sticker is a 10000lb one.

Before the 2020 Duramax came out the difference between the three-quarter and 1 ton where tires and a set of overload springs . I’m seeing the new Duramax with 20 inch tires gives both trucks higher payload. I may be corrected on the tire size for 2500 truck . I pulled the same camper with a 2500 Duramax and took the 20s off and put 18 with 3500 payload added bags there’s not much difference in the towing between the one ton and the older 2500 other then the sticker and the power. Before 2020 you could not get a 20 inch 285 Tire on those trucks without some cutting and lifting.

[jasin1]

Originally Posted by aricker243

I don't understand your "logic" here?

GM builds a 100% brand new HD platform, (with little to no carry over from previous gen) with upgraded capacities across the board and you complain about it?

you've posted here 12,000 times... and the majority of those is telling people "You don't have enough truck, "You're unsafe", "You're overweight", "you're going to kill yourself and all you loved ones"

GM recognized that building an HD diesel truck with only 2,000 payload was a waste of time in todays "SUPER SIZE" modern world, let alone irresponsible and un-safe.

I said this before, truck classifications 2/3 are meaningless, antiquated, and a relic of yesteryear.

Change is inevitable... and this is just the opening salvo, Ford and Ram will follow (with 1 ups).... basically putting the weight police out of business for good.

If you don't like change, well then you probably won't like the mid cycle enhancement on GM trucks. hint.... don't be looking for the gear shift in its usual place.

The weight police will still be here …..no matter what number you put on a trucks payload there will always be someone pushing it over the max.
By your logic, the rv manufacturers will follow suit and build heavier fifth wheels to accommodate the “SUPER SIZE” modern world.

There will always be people who spend $100 more then they make each week..no matter how much you give them.


As I side note,I enjoyed reading my sampling of the 12000 posts you mention…and I’d imagine most other members have as well

[markcee]

Originally Posted by jasin1

As I side note,I enjoyed reading my sampling of the 12000 posts you mention…and I’d imagine most other members have as well

x2! Couldn't agree more.