I have a 2021 Ford Super Duty F350 Tremor 6.7 Diesel SW Can I 5th wheel 17k

[Ironman]

I am a newbie on this Forum. I am an active member on the Ford Tremor Forum. I recently bought a Super Duty F350 Tremor for the purpose of getting a Toy Hauler. I fell in love with the Raptor 352 for a future purchase. I know how awesome my Tremor Family on that Forum is. I figured I’d look into a Keystone Forum. I have many questions but just figured to try this out.
I’m Don aka Ironman. Not from the cartoon character but from being a Union NYC Ironworker.
I currently don’t have an RV but I’m so interested in getting as much knowledge of the RV I will get before making my purchase. My wife and I never RV’d before, and I want to travel and live my dream.
Sorry if this is the wrong place to start. I didn’t see a start a post or thread on new posts. The introduction for new members didn’t seem to have a post spot. Thanks again. Looking forward to making some friendships like the bonds I made on the Tremor forum.
Don 👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻🙏🙏🙏😎

[Javi]

That Tremor is a pretty truck and I'll bet it's fun to play with, but I bet it won't cook your breakfast or do the laundry on Saturday mornings. ��

[flybouy]

Welcome to the forum. Like everything in life trucks are a trade-off. Finding one that "checks all the boxes" typically ends up with a comprimise. When you choose a truck specifically designed for off roading the trade-offs are typically taller suspension travel with softer shocks to absorb bumps, larger softer sidewaiis on the tires, and a raised body which raises the center of gravity. The off road accessories reduce payload and the result is a truck that's now very capable for off-roading but with a greatly deminished ability and capacitity for towing.

A lot of people have the "dream" of taking their rig off-raod. I blame advertising for most of this as you see those images constantly in the advertising. Truth be told, the trailers not specifically made for that will self destruct in short order. Most folks into the off-road lifestyles use a toy hualer to take their off-road vehichle in. Then use it to hit the trails. There are several folks on the forum who do this regularly that can offer better advice.

[Ken / Claudia]

Come back with the numbers listed on YOUR trucks driver side door post. It's really easy copy or photo them. Then someone will explain each number on YOUR truck and how its fits towing and carrying a RV.

[Keystoned]

Originally Posted by Ken / Claudia

Come back with the numbers listed on YOUR trucks driver side door post. It's really easy copy or photo them. Then someone will explain each number on YOUR truck and how its fits towing and carrying a RV.

This...^
Also, the Tremor is not like the Raptor in that is specifically built to go fast off road. It is reduced some from a regular SD, but not significantly...

[Ironman]

My load weight is 3052 lbs. My Tremor Forum has lots of people pulling 17k 5th wheels. I looked at Grand Design Momentum’s that are 16,800 and pin weight of 2,785. I know many say I need a dually. On RV Trader and other sites I see in the pics SRW pulling these large rigs. My F350 6.7 Tremor is a beast. I probably won’t put the Carli Pintop suspension but will add the Firestone Ride Rite Red Label Extreme 7,500lbs air bag set up I already have. I will most likely get one of these heavy toy trailers and see what my rig can do. One of my friends says he pulls a triple axle 20k 44’ toy hauler with his F350 6.7 Tremor. So IDK. I was a NYC Union Ironworker that was a connector that erected high rises, walking beams, and climbing columns and connecting the skeletons of these structures. Not many people would do this for a living. So it’s just that I’m not afraid to give it a try. That’s all. I’m going to pull mine and my wife’s Harleys across country and live life to it’s fullest. If I have a hard time pulling this beast then I’ll pull the trigger snd buy a 2022 F450. So that’s my plan. I know this subject causes lots of arguments and life is way to short for that. I just lost my dad in March and was with him as he passed away. That has changed my thoughts with life. I’m 53 yrs young and now retired, and I don’t want waste a single day on the blessings JESUS CHRIST has bestowed on me. So I thank you all for your sound advice. I will just try it out with my Tremor and just take it one day at a time. GOD BLESS. ��������������������

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by Ironman

My load weight is 3052 lbs. My Tremor Forum has lots of people pulling 17k 5th wheels. I looked at Grand Design Momentum’s that are 16,800 and pin weight of 2,785. I know many say I need a dually. On RV Trader and other sites I see in the pics SRW pulling these large rigs. My F350 6.7 Tremor is a beast. I probably won’t put the Carli Pintop suspension but will add the Firestone Ride Rite Red Label Extreme 7,500lbs air bag set up I already have. I will most likely get one of these heavy toy trailers and see what my rig can do. One of my friends says he pulls a triple axle 20k 44’ toy hauler with his F350 6.7 Tremor. So IDK. I was a NYC Union Ironworker that was a connector that erected high rises, walking beams, and climbing columns and connecting the skeletons of these structures. Not many people would do this for a living. So it’s just that I’m not afraid to give it a try. That’s all. I’m going to pull mine and my wife’s Harleys across country and live life to it’s fullest. If I have a hard time pulling this beast then I’ll pull the trigger snd buy a 2022 F450. So that’s my plan. I know this subject causes lots of arguments and life is way to short for that. I just lost my dad in March and was with him as he passed away. That has changed my thoughts with life. I’m 53 yrs young and now retired, and I don’t want waste a single day on the blessings JESUS CHRIST has bestowed on me. So I thank you all for your sound advice. I will just try it out with my Tremor and just take it one day at a time. GOD BLESS. ��������������������

Good luck to you. just bremember that when you were walking high on the beams you only endangered yourself and the odds of hitting someone on the ground was minimal. Taking that risk with your family and other motorists is a whole other consideration IMHO.

[notanlines]

If you were looking to lend credence to your situation, your statement "On RV Trader and other sites I see in the pics SRW pulling these large rigs"just blew a large hole in the argument. Only Charles Schultz could have come up with a more comical line.

[jasin1]

Originally Posted by Ironman

My load weight is 3052 lbs. My Tremor Forum has lots of people pulling 17k 5th wheels. I looked at Grand Design Momentum’s that are 16,800 and pin weight of 2,785. I know many say I need a dually. On RV Trader and other sites I see in the pics SRW pulling these large rigs. My F350 6.7 Tremor is a beast. I probably won’t put the Carli Pintop suspension but will add the Firestone Ride Rite Red Label Extreme 7,500lbs air bag set up I already have. I will most likely get one of these heavy toy trailers and see what my rig can do. One of my friends says he pulls a triple axle 20k 44’ toy hauler with his F350 6.7 Tremor. So IDK. I was a NYC Union Ironworker that was a connector that erected high rises, walking beams, and climbing columns and connecting the skeletons of these structures. Not many people would do this for a living. So it’s just that I’m not afraid to give it a try. That’s all. I’m going to pull mine and my wife’s Harleys across country and live life to it’s fullest. If I have a hard time pulling this beast then I’ll pull the trigger snd buy a 2022 F450. So that’s my plan. I know this subject causes lots of arguments and life is way to short for that. I just lost my dad in March and was with him as he passed away. That has changed my thoughts with life. I’m 53 yrs young and now retired, and I don’t want waste a single day on the blessings JESUS CHRIST has bestowed on me. So I thank you all for your sound advice. I will just try it out with my Tremor and just take it one day at a time. GOD BLESS. ��������������������

How would you feel if the crane operator on one of your jobs decided he wasn’t afraid of lifting a load of steel over your head that was too heavy to safely lift.. over the specs on the crane..he might get away with it if it’s not windy or the load doesn’t shift.. would you put your life in his hands just because someone else said “don’t worry..you’ll be fine “

[notanlines]

Don, have her call me and I’ll talk to her about your dually. I’ve learned the right things to say!

[gearhead]

Welcome to the forum. My Dad was Local 84 in Houston.
You may want to look at bumper pull toy haulers, or trade the Ford Tremor in on a dually that isn't quite as tricked out. May not as painful as you think.

[jasin1]

Maybe get a good decent used dually as a dedicated tow vehicle and keep the tremor for fun.. if it’s just for towing you may find a diesel with around 100k mileage in decent shape. Would get you through quite a few years if it’s only towing mileage added to it

[wiredgeorge]

Iron guy has heard folks explain why his truck is over matched and he tells us other guys on the "Tremor" forum are also towing over capacity (payload) so it is OK. God bless him and hope he stays safe driving his "beast" overloaded. Two kinds that come to this forum as newbies. 1. Who heeds safety advice 2. Ones who don't



Not much beating a dead horse.

[Javi]

May whatever diety the OP prays to watch over him and his loved ones and protect them in their hour of need.

[travelin texans]

Glad to hear you're not afraid to tow extremely overloaded, now the issue is the rest of us ARE afraid that now there's going to be one more of "those guys" on the same highways we travel.
Statistics claim that 60% of the vehicles towing on the highways are overloaded in one or more of the limiting numbers, so here comes 61%!.

[MotoDad293]

I will throw my 2 cents in as I am closely matched to the OP.

I have a 2020 F350 SRW CC LB and I tow a 2021 Raptor 351. When I bought the truck, it was not a model where they downgrade the capacity on the window sticker at zero cost, 12,400 to 11k. I never understood that anyway.

When I bought my 351 I had the dealer install the Goosebox 20k because I wanted to not have the extra weight and hassle of removing the king pin gizmo. I use my trailer as a toyhauler, most of the time I have 3 dirt bikes in the back as well as about another 300 pounds of parts, ez-ups and miscellaneous pit setup stuff. I tow with the fresh water tank and propane full but usually only fill the builtin generator tank when close to our race location. In the bed of my truck, while towing, I have another 35 gallon water tank, a pressure washer and usually 10-15 gallons of race gas.

I believe I run at my max tow by the numbers or slightly over. I really do not know. But I can tell you, the F350 tows amazing. I have had to do panic stops going downhill because of lane police, etc and the truck stops very, VERY well! I can still climb super well. I can climb the infamous Grapevine southbound on I-5 with little to no stress on the motor. I have yet to have any issue and believe I have been in most 'issue' situations. I bought the trailer 11/20 and accrding to the trailer info screen on the truck I have pulled the trailer 12,000 miles already. All over the west coast! Sitting flat on level ground there is only the slightest sag. Today I do not have air bags but I am planning to do them soon, when we have some downtime in the race schedule. Probably at that time, I will also do the Carli Commuter 2.5 level/lift. I will do the Deaver leaf pack in addition to the airbags.

I purposely bought a tandem axle fifth wheel over a triple, thinking the size is better suited for the SRW.

Having said all that, I purposely did not buy the Tremor because I too liken it to the Raptor. It does have a slightly diminished tow capacity.

Here are the 2 stickers in my driver door. I read it as I have 4561 pounds of pin weight, passengers and other things in the bed of my truck. Yeah?

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by MotoDad293

I will throw my 2 cents in as I am closely matched to the OP.

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I believe I run at my max tow by the numbers or slightly over. I really do not know. But I can tell you, the F350 tows amazing. ...

I'd simply say this: I urge you to take your "ready to go camping" rig over a CAT scale and "KNOW" what it weighs. Only then can you "KNOW" what you're towing and driving....

It's much better to "KNOW" and make decisions on how heavy you are rather than "find out in court from the plaintiff's lawyer that you were overloaded and it's going to cost you your life savings assuming the jury agrees".....

CAT Scales are your friend and well worth the $13.

[MotoDad293]

Originally Posted by JRTJH

I'd simply say this: I urge you to take your "ready to go camping" rig over a CAT scale and "KNOW" what it weighs. Only then can you "KNOW" what you're towing and driving....

It's much better to "KNOW" and make decisions on how heavy you are rather than "find out in court from the plaintiff's lawyer that you were overloaded and it's going to cost you your life savings assuming the jury agrees".....

CAT Scales are your friend and well worth the $13.

OP sorry to hijack your thread but maybe this will be helpful to you.

Sooooo. We are mid travels between races. On our way to Bellingham, WA I just stopped at the Flying J in Jerome, ID. I just did the certified scale weight. My rig is completely full with cargo, liquids and waste as I normally travel. Here are my weight numbers. Based on the pictures of my door tags I posted above. I believe I am 150 pounds below my max. Is that correct?

Steer Axle 5200 lb
Drive Axle 7080 lb
Trailer Axle 13960 lb
Gross Weight 26240 lb

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by MotoDad293

OP sorry to hijack your thread but maybe this will be helpful to you.

Sooooo. We are mid travels between races. On our way to Bellingham, WA I just stopped at the Flying J in Jerome, ID. I just did the certified scale weight. My rig is completely full with cargo, liquids and waste as I normally travel. Here are my weight numbers. Based on the pictures of my door tags I posted above. I believe I am 150 pounds below my max. Is that correct?

Steer Axle 5200 lb
Drive Axle 7080 lb
Trailer Axle 13960 lb
Gross Weight 26240 lb

And the Raptor 352 weighs 557 pounds more than your 351 and has a GVWR 350 pounds greater than your trailer. So, if we're looking at "apples and apples" with your 150 pound "buffer" there's nothing left to carry the OP's trailer. Granted, this comparison is "splitting hairs" but demonstrates what's been said by numerous posters to this thread. He's going to be "at/over his max GVWR and payload with that truck and trailer".....

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by MotoDad293

OP sorry to hijack your thread but maybe this will be helpful to you.

Sooooo. We are mid travels between races. On our way to Bellingham, WA I just stopped at the Flying J in Jerome, ID. I just did the certified scale weight. My rig is completely full with cargo, liquids and waste as I normally travel. Here are my weight numbers. Based on the pictures of my door tags I posted above. I believe I am 150 pounds below my max. Is that correct?

Steer Axle 5200 lb
Drive Axle 7080 lb
Trailer Axle 13960 lb
Gross Weight 26240 lb

Originally Posted by JRTJH

And the Raptor 352 weighs 557 pounds more than your 351 and has a GVWR 350 pounds greater than your trailer. So, if we're looking at "apples and apples" with your 150 pound "buffer" there's nothing left to carry the OP's trailer. Granted, this comparison is "splitting hairs" but demonstrates what's been said by numerous posters to this thread. He's going to be "at/over his max GVWR and payload with that truck and trailer".....

Well now you know, just don’t eat too many burgers between trips!

As to how this related to the OP’s situation, you have 4,500#+ payload, the OP only has a 3,000# payload so would likely be starting out about 1,500# overweight.