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Old 07-29-2021, 04:52 AM   #21
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I need to do a scale visit...my truck gvwr is 10k and max trailer is 13k - my trailer 200lbs lighter on Tonge so I appear to be within margins at full load, but not a lot of buffer.....
Where did you get those ratings? I don't believe that Dodge made a 2500 series truck in 2003 with a GVWR that high. The series, if I remember correctly, put the 3500 single rear wheel series in the 10,000-10,500 pound range and the 2500 pound series in the 8,500-8,800 pound range. Russ said he believes the 2003 GVWR was as high as 9,200 pounds....

But 10,000 ????? That was the rear axle max capacity, but not the GVWR. Check your door stickers !!!!!
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Old 07-29-2021, 05:14 AM   #22
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Where did you get those ratings? I don't believe that Dodge made a 2500 series truck in 2003 with a GVWR that high. The series, if I remember correctly, put the 3500 single rear wheel series in the 10,000-10,500 pound range and the 2500 pound series in the 8,500-8,800 pound range. Russ said he believes the 2003 GVWR was as high as 9,200 pounds....

But 10,000 ????? That was the rear axle max capacity, but not the GVWR. Check your door stickers !!!!!
I am not the original poster with the 03 dodge.....I have a 16 GMC2500HD - but we both have very similar trailers....sorry, I'll stop posting on this thread, confusing everyone......
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Old 07-29-2021, 05:14 AM   #23
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Where did you get those ratings? I don't believe that Dodge made a 2500 series truck in 2003 with a GVWR that high. The series, if I remember correctly, put the 3500 single rear wheel series in the 10,000-10,500 pound range and the 2500 pound series in the 8,500-8,800 pound range. Russ said he believes the 2003 GVWR was as high as 9,200 pounds....

But 10,000 ????? That was the rear axle max capacity, but not the GVWR. Check your door stickers !!!!!
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Old 07-29-2021, 05:33 AM   #24
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Yep, I got my "2003 specs" from this link: https://www.cars.com/research/dodge-.../specs/101096/

Without knowing what model truck and how it's equipped, any guess is just that, a guess, but with a "max trailer weight" of 12K and a GVWR around 8800, add in a "long shank WD hitch" and a 13,000 pound trailer behind it that's 38' long....

When you add in the "age factor", it looks to me like a "very optimistic venture" to even try to tow it at highway speeds.
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Old 07-29-2021, 06:24 AM   #25
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Yep, I got my "2003 specs" from this link: https://www.cars.com/research/dodge-.../specs/101096/

Without knowing what model truck and how it's equipped, any guess is just that, a guess, but with a "max trailer weight" of 12K and a GVWR around 8800, add in a "long shank WD hitch" and a 13,000 pound trailer behind it that's 38' long....

When you add in the "age factor", it looks to me like a "very optimistic venture" to even try to tow it at highway speeds.
I certainly wouldn't tow that trailer with that truck. At least not since I found out that I actually wasn't invincible or at least bulletproof 😅
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I certainly wouldn't tow that trailer with that truck. At least not since I found out that I actually wasn't invincible or at least bulletproof 😅


No, I would not tow that trailer with that truck either.

Isn't it strange "as time marches on" how we go from invincible, to bulletproof to "regular human"? Maybe it's just all the piece parts that kind of "malfunction", quit working or just plain quit..... Sort of like an old junker driving down the road with various paraphernalia/parts falling off and clanging down the road.

Now, if I could just get DW to leave me alone about "knowing it all" .....
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Old 07-29-2021, 08:15 AM   #27
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^^^ YEP !!!!

Back in my "hold my beer and watch this" days, I'd have jumped in that rig and "tried it to see if it would buck at 75MPH like it does at 45MPH....

Now days, it hurts too much and takes too long to heal the broken parts.... (my parts, not the trailer's).....
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Old 07-29-2021, 08:18 AM   #28
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No, I would not tow that trailer with that truck either.

Isn't it strange "as time marches on" how we go from invincible, to bulletproof to "regular human"? Maybe it's just all the piece parts that kind of "malfunction", quit working or just plain quit..... Sort of like an old junker driving down the road with various paraphernalia/parts falling off and clanging down the road.

Now, if I could just get DW to leave me alone about "knowing it all" .....
It's experience and common sense. The experience of surviving the stuipidity of youth and the common sense to know that staying on that path will end up with you running out of luck when the odds catch up.
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Old 07-29-2021, 08:42 PM   #29
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so I have a new carbon 35 which is pretty similar to the carbon 36 weight wise...I have a blue ox sway pro weight dist hitch - only 2 trips so far but took interstate and lots of construction in co right now so interstates not very smooth... while we get some bouncing it's nothing better or worse than previous heavy toy hauler and hitch....eg no funny business occurring....and my dealer gave me the wrong arms for the hitch (1500lb vs. 2k lb)....looking at pics, does appear blue ox is bit shorter / closer to bumper than the pic of the weight safe...so could be something to that. I still have my truck sagging a bit (no airbags), so going to try one more link on the chain to see if it improves...

Motodad - see my sig re ktm's, and I lived in Wildomar from 2000-2006....miss Elsinore being up the street
That’s too crazy, we just moved from Wildomar to NV three years ago. We lived there for15 years. That’s actually what I’m stressing about because we love to camp in Temecula at lake skinner and want to plan some trips but the Cajón Pass worries me.

But your comment on the Blue Ox, I had originally purchased that hitch but it’s been on back order for 2 months, then the last email I received is was going to be October before I see my hitch. That’s why I went with the weigh safe, seemed to be the only other option that didn’t go way over what we needed. And with the built in scale I can actually see our true tongue weight. I wonder if it would be worth it to return the weigh safe and get the blue ox back on order…
Do you like the blue ox? Did taking it up a chain help the sag?
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Old 07-29-2021, 09:13 PM   #30
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No, I would not tow that trailer with that truck either.

Isn't it strange "as time marches on" how we go from invincible, to bulletproof to "regular human"? Maybe it's just all the piece parts that kind of "malfunction", quit working or just plain quit..... Sort of like an old junker driving down the road with various paraphernalia/parts falling off and clanging down the road.

Now, if I could just get DW to leave me alone about "knowing it all" .....
I think some are looking at the Gas powered V8 specs, not sure if it makes a difference but we have the 5.9 diesel with the upgraded tow package, 4:10 axel, which is what from what my husband says the 1 ton has… also 5 speed manual transmission…the guy that delivered it drove an older 1 ton Ram with no WDH and had no issues getting it here from TX other then sway when passed by trucks. But he said we shouldn’t have any issues with our truck and this is what he does for a living…and I know he wasn’t slow cuz he got to Nevada in less time then I thought he would.

Something I read also in an article on the 2003 Ram: “Common to both 2WD and 4WD models is leaf-spring rear suspension with three-inch longer springs and all-new rear axles, which contribute to a segment-leading 12,500-pound gross vehicle weight rating (gvwr). 2500-series trucks receive two-stage leaf springs and 10.5-inch ring gear in the differential, while 3500-series trucks get beefier three-stage springs and an even larger 11.5-inch ring gear. The standard axle ratio is 3.73:1, but a 4:10:1 axle is available and carries with it an additional 2,000 pounds of towing capacity.”

Also from what I’ve found we have a 13,000-13,800 towing capacity
Towing capacity: 13,000 to 13,850 lbs
Curb weight: 5,343 to 6,127 lbs
Horsepower: 235 to 345 hp
Payload: 2,673 to 3,307 lbs
Transmission: 4 & 5-speed automatic, 5 & 6-speed manual
Engine: 5.7 L V8, 5.9 L 6-cylinder diesel, 8.0 L V10

So this is why we don’t think it’s the truck itself but something mechanical, or tires or even the weigh safe WDH is just junk and I need to send it back…
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I think some are looking at the Gas powered V8 specs, not sure if it makes a difference but we have the 5.9 diesel with the upgraded tow package, 4:10 axel, which is what from what my husband says the 1 ton has… also 5 speed manual transmission…the guy that delivered it drove an older 1 ton Ram with no WDH and had no issues getting it here from TX other then sway when passed by trucks. But he said we shouldn’t have any issues with our truck and this is what he does for a living…and I know he wasn’t slow cuz he got to Nevada in less time then I thought he would.

Something I read also in an article on the 2003 Ram: “Common to both 2WD and 4WD models is leaf-spring rear suspension with three-inch longer springs and all-new rear axles, which contribute to a segment-leading 12,500-pound gross vehicle weight rating (gvwr). 2500-series trucks receive two-stage leaf springs and 10.5-inch ring gear in the differential, while 3500-series trucks get beefier three-stage springs and an even larger 11.5-inch ring gear. The standard axle ratio is 3.73:1, but a 4:10:1 axle is available and carries with it an additional 2,000 pounds of towing capacity.”

Also from what I’ve found we have a 13,000-13,800 towing capacity
Towing capacity: 13,000 to 13,850 lbs
Curb weight: 5,343 to 6,127 lbs
Horsepower: 235 to 345 hp
Payload: 2,673 to 3,307 lbs
Transmission: 4 & 5-speed automatic, 5 & 6-speed manual
Engine: 5.7 L V8, 5.9 L 6-cylinder diesel, 8.0 L V10

So this is why we don’t think it’s the truck itself but something mechanical, or tires or even the weigh safe WDH is just junk and I need to send it back…
Well first of all the magazine article is wrong, they state the 3500 (DRW) GVWR is 12,500#, sorry max in 2003 to 2012 was 12,300#.
Your 2500 GVWR is likely 8,800# right on the VIN sticker on the door.
Your 5.9 should be 305HP and 555 torque, the 345 hp was reserved for the HO 6 speed manual. Towing 13,000# with the 5 speed in hills can be an issue if you need to slow, there is a big jump from 3rd to 4th.
Time to be looking for a bigger TV.
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Stacy, sounds to me like you are trying to rationalize why "it can't be the truck" as apposed to simply weighing everything to get actual facts in your hand. Until you get the weights you, and everyone trying to help, will be "shooting in the dark".

Good luck to you and travel safe.
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I had the problem of bucking when I first bought our current trailer where I never had it with the previous trailer. The new trailer is longer and weighs more than the old one. What finally solved the issue was when I readjusted my equalizer hitch myself. The dealer just threw it all together to get us out the door. Once I watched the equalizer video for owners and did it myself, all the bucking was gone. Just because they sell the same brand of hitch doesn't mean they set it up correctly.
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These are the things I would check:

1. Load range and pressure of the tires.
2. Check the setup on your Weight Distribution Hitch. (I suspect this may be the issue)
3. Load distribution inside of the trailer.
4. Tire pressure of the trailer.
5. Check the tv suspension.

Something is letting the bounce happen. I hope you can find the problem. Good luck!
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Old 08-05-2021, 08:27 AM   #35
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“Bucking” is caused by the compression and rebound of the weight distribution bars. A 1500 lb bar becomes a 2000 lb bar if bent far enough. If there in no way to keep that bar bent it will rebound uncontrolled lifting the back of the truck and the front of the trailer. Unfortunately the typical weight distribution hitch is not an active suspension and there is no way to dampen the rebound. The weight ratio between the trailer and truck will make the bucking better (heavier truck or lighter trailer.)
Stiffer tire side wall and stiffer shocks on the truck are your best bet but that also come with a price in ride comfort.
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I had the problem of bucking when I first bought our current trailer where I never had it with the previous trailer. The new trailer is longer and weighs more than the old one. What finally solved the issue was when I readjusted my equalizer hitch myself. The dealer just threw it all together to get us out the door. Once I watched the equalizer video for owners and did it myself, all the bucking was gone. Just because they sell the same brand of hitch doesn't mean they set it up correctly.
x2 - my dealer set me up with new hitch and installed, etc....the hitch arms are rated at 1500lbs....my trailer tongue weight is 1500lbs empty.....so I said I want the arms rated for 2k lbs since max tongue weight for GVWR Trailer is 1950lbs...pretty obvious they gave me the wrong ones so they agreed
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Hello! I hope that I can get some ideas on what to do. We purchased a Weigh Safe WDH and installed on our toy hauler. Now on this particular trailer there is no way to reduce the tongue weight while unloaded. All the living space is in front of the axels and the garage is behind. Even the water tanks are up front. We took it out for a test drive and it was towing great till about at 50 mph we hit a patch of bad road and the truck bucked up and down like nothing I’ve experienced before.
I know we’re outside the 10-15% tongue weight by about 200-300# but my husband says it’s ok to have more then to have less.
What could be causing the bucking at higher speeds? We tried the same road again at 45 and very little happened. I really don’t want to driving this thing all over at 45mph…lol but we don’t always want to bring our Rhino with us either…
Could the extra tongue weight be the problem??
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Any ordinary tag along trailer I ever had produced this bucking motion (although not that extreme). Its just the geometry, having the weight that far behind the rear axle. I hated that motion and just love that my 5th wheel does not do that. Sorry, this is probably not helpful.
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So to all those who had said I needed a bigger truck. We got a Ford F450…hope that’s big enough…lol ����
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