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Old 01-30-2017, 08:32 AM   #21
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I already have a 1/2 ton Ford F150 with the ecoboost which personally is much better than those V8s giving you 90% torque down low below 1800RPM. Sit in 5 gear when pulling with an occasional downshift for 4th when needing to climb. Heck with a simple aftermarket tune you can spool up the torque to over 500ftlbs. So power wise is not my concern.

What attracted me to the Titan XD is you are getting the weight of a 7500lb 3/4 ton truck at a much better price. That extra weight would be a great stability benefit for pulling a 30ft long trailer more comfortably.

Price wise fully loaded with discounts in the low 40s right now instead of 50 something plus for a nicely equipped big 3 diesel is a huge difference.

Reading a few more articles what hurt the payload numbers while everything else about the truck screams 3/4 or 1 ton truck build quality is they went with a soft suspension to give the truck more of a comfy 1/2 ton ride.

I guess they wanted to go after the market of I want a big truck but will never really use it. Just like so many people buy a 4x4 truck, heck put a lift kit on it and then never take it off road or heck even hop a curb with it.
These are the reasons I decided on an XD Diesel- I wanted something that would tow 10,000 pounds and do it well. The XD was packaged with the equipment I desired and came in less than a similarly equipped F-150. It definitely doesn't have the capabilities of a 3/4 ton, but it's a comfortable ride for those whose needs it fits and a lot of truck for the money. So far I have 7,000 miles on mine and it's been problem free.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:50 PM   #22
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Hi HonestBob,

You made a great choice in the Titan XD, it's the only 5/8 ton truck on the market. If you're not pulling 12k to 15k you still have many options for TT or 5vers and its still a great everyday truck.


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Old 01-31-2017, 10:06 AM   #23
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Hi HonestBob,

You made a great choice in the Titan XD, it's the only 5/8 ton truck on the market. If you're not pulling 12k to 15k you still have many options for TT or 5vers and its still a great everyday truck.


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I assume you are inferring a truck between 1/2 and 3/4 when you say "5/8". My question to you is (and I mean this sincerely because I have no first hand knowledge of the Titan/diesel), doesn't the Titan with diesel have a lower payload than a 1/2? How is that better than a 1/2?


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Old 01-31-2017, 11:13 AM   #24
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You are correct 5/8 is between 1/2 and 3/4, i have gas version SV model the payload for gas is much better than diesel. For some this is hard to imagine the gas has bettet payload than diesel, for the money in my opinion the SV gas model is the best overall value for tow and pay load capacity, the only true advantage of diesel model is it may get a little better mileage per gallon with heavy load and the extra 1k tow capacity. Check out this website, it breaks down payload comparison gas versus diesel XD http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/u...-kit#header_02

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Old 01-31-2017, 11:14 AM   #25
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Old 01-31-2017, 11:20 AM   #26
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Btw im towing my Fifthwheel with an Andersen Fifthwheel hitch, i can back up no problem. Im not at 90°, i have managed about 75° backing up, but the truck is awesome with towing. I stay within tow limits but i think the truck is capable of much more just from power and ride comfortability


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Old 01-31-2017, 11:24 AM   #27
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Im not sure what the payloaf is for a standard 1/2 ton, but the gas version XD has over 2500lbs, this is better than diesel XD model

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Old 01-31-2017, 12:14 PM   #28
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Here is a break down of what 1/2 tons can tow at max payload and towing capacity of coarse these are base trucks with zero options.

http://fifthwheelst.com/2016-half-ton-truck-towing.html
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Old 01-31-2017, 12:34 PM   #29
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Correct the diesel XD is not the best choice if max payload is the primary concern especially compared the aluminum trucks or the gas version. Compared to other long bed crew cab I found the XD payload acceptable but I have no intention to pull a 5th wheel. It's a comfortable heavy stable towing platform that for me was a value play compared to an F-250 which left some money available for me to buy my new outback. I like the low-end torque feel of the diesel. Kennyskywalker I can't argue with the gas XD- that's a smart decision and a lot of truck for the money.
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Old 02-01-2017, 08:01 AM   #30
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Here is a break down of what 1/2 tons can tow at max payload and towing capacity of coarse these are base trucks with zero options.

http://fifthwheelst.com/2016-half-ton-truck-towing.html
Last year i shopped the big 3 and a lot of in person homework with sales people, its all about the gear ratio which can be configured on base models but that is not standard. Those are max payload and tow capacities with the highest available gear ratio offered but it is not standard with any base model. All base models tow capacity start around either 8k or 9k, trust me when salesman configured with higher gear ratio the price of truck shot up immediately, it was disappointing because they offer a myriad of configurations (gets confusing quick), the straightforward options on XD were more attractive.

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Old 02-01-2017, 10:13 AM   #31
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Is it just me or is there some reason Nissan does not put out a comprehensive breakdown of towing/payload capabilities for the Titan as the Big 3 do for ALL of their trucks? It's one thing to read a bunch of pressers from brochures that cherry pick stats and quite another to have a complete breakdown of every model/configuration showing axle ratios, engines, bed length, cab configuration and on and on. Nothing that I can find from Nissan??
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Old 02-01-2017, 05:43 PM   #32
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:26 PM   #33
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I assume you are inferring a truck between 1/2 and 3/4 when you say "5/8". My question to you is (and I mean this sincerely because I have no first hand knowledge of the Titan/diesel), doesn't the Titan with diesel have a lower payload than a 1/2? How is that better than a 1/2?


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You are correct 5/8 is between 1/2 and 3/4, i have gas version SV model the payload for gas is much better than diesel. For some this is hard to imagine the gas has bettet payload than diesel, for the money in my opinion the SV gas model is the best overall value for tow and pay load capacity, the only true advantage of diesel model is it may get a little better mileage per gallon with heavy load and the extra 1k tow capacity. Check out this website, it breaks down payload comparison gas versus diesel XD http://nissannews.com/en-US/nissan/u...-kit#header_02

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I think that any gas truck will have a higher payload than the identically built diesel truck due to the weight of the diesel engine. The max gvwr of the truck doesn't change, so the lighter gas engine will leave more payload.
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Old 02-01-2017, 09:15 PM   #34
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Here you go!
Thanks for the post. Do you have a link to the capacities of the XD? I enlarged the thumbs as large as I could but they were still small and blurry. Or, maybe it's just old eyes trying to read small numbers....
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Thanks for the post. Do you have a link to the capacities of the XD? I enlarged the thumbs as large as I could but they were still small and blurry. Or, maybe it's just old eyes trying to read small numbers....
I took the images from the online owners manual pages 10-38 through 10-40. (Sorry I had to reduce the image size to get it to upload). You can also select the capacities tab on their website under the individual trucks. With the XD there aren't many configuration choices that affect towing/payload- basically gas vs diesel and single vs crew cab which is why I think they don't have the "decoder sheet" with axel ratios, bed lengths and such that other manufactures publish. When shopping I found that it compared favorably to other crew cab, 6.5 ft bed trucks with readily available axel ratios.

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I think that any gas truck will have a higher payload than the identically built diesel truck due to the weight of the diesel engine. The max gvwr of the truck doesn't change, so the lighter gas engine will leave more payload.


For sure.

My point was, why would anyone spend big bucks for the diesel option on a 1/2 ton truck that has iffy payload with the gasser. Seems like you can't really do anything with the diesel. Stump-pulling ability doesn't do you any good if your payload is 5 lbs.

This reply wasn't directed at anyone in particular.


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Old 02-03-2017, 01:22 PM   #37
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For sure.

My point was, why would anyone spend big bucks for the diesel option on a 1/2 ton truck that has iffy payload with the gasser. Seems like you can't really do anything with the diesel. Stump-pulling ability doesn't do you any good if your payload is 5 lbs.

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That is the drawback of the Titan XD and why I started this thread. Personally for me coming from an Ecoboost F150 going to a gasser V8 is a downgrade to get a good payload. The ecoboost gives me 90% torque down low like a diesel so I am not working the crap out of my transmission with constant downshifting. The diesel would give the down low torque and having the extra weight of the Titan XD weighing in more like a 3/4 ton also a major plus for better towing. However having such low payload was just surprising.
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For sure.

My point was, why would anyone spend big bucks for the diesel option on a 1/2 ton truck that has iffy payload with the gasser. Seems like you can't really do anything with the diesel. Stump-pulling ability doesn't do you any good if your payload is 5 lbs.

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For sure the loaded diesel was much more appealing to me when they dropped the price- I probably would not have paid a high premium compared to a 1/2 ton but since it came in cheaper than a similarly equipped f-150 I went for it. I've not been disappointed in the way it tows. You are correct that the gas version is a smart decision.
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Noticing that a dealership has fully some loaded Titan XD Diesels marked down 17K. Seemed like a very impressive truck getting a lot of 3/4 abilities at a much more reasonable price until I noticed the payload of only 1500lbs. Should I be concerned towing a max weight Cougar 26RBI 30ft TT of 7800lbs(dry weight of 6100lbs) with such a low payload? Heck my F150 has a 1750lb payload.
jmak the diesel crew cab XD should have a payload of around 2,000 pounds not 1,500 and I can tell you from experience it will handle that solidly. I've noticed confusion in the media and even from dealers regarding the XD vs non-XD and their related capacities. They should have used a different nomenclature in my opinion to avoid confusion.
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Old 02-07-2017, 05:29 PM   #40
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For sure.

My point was, why would anyone spend big bucks for the diesel option on a 1/2 ton truck that has iffy payload with the gasser. Seems like you can't really do anything with the diesel. Stump-pulling ability doesn't do you any good if your payload is 5 lbs.

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This is true, I have a Fifthwheel and although its on the lighter side (8424lbs) I run into challenges with pin weight, I must be mindful that that 2500lbs payload only goes so far with my truck weighing just over 6600lbs (fully loaded) and gcwr for truck is 8600lbs.

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