Just asking to be sure

[dangerdave]

2015 RAM 2500 Cummins Diesel 4x4 Mega cab shows 15,500 towing capacity

Getting a 2017 310RE.

No one I've told this to even suggests a problem.

Opinions? and thank you!

[Outback 325BH]

Originally Posted by dangerdave

2015 RAM 2500 Cummins Diesel 4x4 Mega cab shows 15,500 towing capacity

Getting a 2017 310RE.

No one I've told this to even suggests a problem.

Opinions? and thank you!

Going "by the book" (which is contradictory to many of my posts... lol), you'll want to look at the following:

5er GVWR -- I found as 14,155
5er pin weight -- site says 2,155, however 20% is 2,831
Truck's GVWR
Truck's rear GAWR
Truck's payload found on yellow sticker

What you are trying to figure out is if the pin weight (which the truck carries) will put you over GVWR or rear GAWR.

The best method is to actually weigh, however the quick method is to use the "payload " off of YOUR sticker.

Actual numbers from the scales are best, but if you are doing pre-purchase analysis just use the payload sticker and the 2,800 number for pin weight. You'll want some breathing room due to other stuff you will bring with you.

For my 2016 F250, that trailer would be right on my limits, depending on how I actually loaded the pin... if I went by my payload sticker. If I used F350 SRW numbers (which I do for a variety of reasons), I would have plenty of breathing room.


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[dangerdave]

I have the 68RFE transmission and I correct myself the Max Trailer Weight rating is 15,190

Rear GAWR 6500
Payload 1990

From this source:
https://www.ramtrucks.com/assets/tow...ing_charts.pdf

The 310RE
10450 + 3075 = GVWR 14,155
hitch weight 2155

[dangerdave]

2015 RAM 4x4 cummins diesel mega cab
15190 is towing capacity
1990 is payload
rear GAWR is 6500

BTW rear has the coil springs.

above according to the RAM towing guide. White sticker inside door says the GAWR Rear is 6500 too.

310RE
dry weight 10450
payoad 3705
GVWR 14,155
Hitch weight 2155

So REALLY where am I at?

[BirchyBoy]

If the truck payload is only 1990, and the trailer pin weight is 2155, you need more truck.

[sourdough]

^^^^What BirchBoy said. You need more truck.

[bagged123]

you need a bigger truck just for the payload

[dangerdave]

Thank you everyone, and I 100% believe your assessment. I see it right there.

However, this is obviously disappointing. So you are saying the payload of the truck MUST be under the hitch weight or the trailer? Sounds logical, but I thought there were other factors like Rear GAWR etc etc.

That one point is the deal breaker? Does anything else help make up for that?

And is that hitch weight at the full GWVR of the trailer?

Thank you so much for the guidance.

From Outback above:
"What you are trying to figure out is if the pin weight (which the truck carries) will put you over GVWR or rear GAWR."

If my rear GAWR is 6500 pounds is that enough? If the pin weight is 2155?

[Outback 325BH]

Originally Posted by dangerdave

Thank you everyone, and I 100% believe your assessment. I see it right there.

However, this is obviously disappointing. So you are saying the payload of the truck MUST be under the hitch weight or the trailer? Sounds logical, but I thought there were other factors like Rear GAWR etc etc.

That one point is the deal breaker? Does anything else help make up for that?

And is that hitch weight at the full GWVR of the trailer?

Thank you so much for the guidance.

From Outback above:
"What you are trying to figure out is if the pin weight (which the truck carries) will put you over GVWR or rear GAWR."

If my rear GAWR is 6500 pounds is that enough? If the pin weight is 2155?

Going by your numbers, the payload of your truck is 1,990 lbs. this is how much weight your truck can carry. This number was derived by subtracting your actual truck weight at the factory from its GVWR. The 1,990 is a good gauge, however anything you put in or on the truck brings that number down (passengers, gear, 5th wheel hitch, etc.).

Going by Keystone's pin weight number of 2,155 lbs, you would be overweight by 165 lbs... and that is not accounting for your hitch or anything else. That 2,155 number is also not realistic... it is probably more when fully loaded.

If your rear axle weighs anything close to my truck, you are probably OK regarding GAWR. But on payload alone, you are definitely short.

I am not a Dodge expert... especially regarding the coil spring configuration (I'm quit familiar with it, I just don't know it's limitations), you are on your own regarding your truck's true abilities.


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[dangerdave]

Ok, well at the very least it does look like I am pushing the boundaries of safety. 165 pounds over and that doesn't even count anything me , the wife, 2 dogs etc etc, the hitch (was going to get a superglide 20K to be safe anyway).

I read people use an engine hoist to remove the hitch.

And I appreciate the comment about my truck's "true capabilities". I'm not interested in experimenting to find that out.

So I'm calling it a no-go unfortunately. If anyone can argue differently with good facts I'm all ears.

Thank you for the info!

[xrated]

The Good news............You asked BEFORE you bought the truck!

The Bad news......You didn't select enough truck!

You didn't make the same mistake that I did, and likely many others and buy a truck thinking that you could pull almost anything you wanted. I told my story in another thread, so I won't repeat it here, but I ended up having to get a tow behind trailer instead of a 5ver that I wanted. It's all good, I'm towing safely and I'm happy with my trailer choice.

[dangerdave]

I hear you on that for sure.

I'm not in to living on the edge when it comes to towing.

[sourdough]

The posts keep reciting the dry pin weight of 2155. Remember that that number will climb substantially; probably to 2800+, that really puts you over payload. What is the GCVWR? It hasn't been mentioned that I saw. You are probably OK on that but when it comes to the various weight ratings the rule of thumb is that you need to be within ALL of them. In the posts I've not seen what the payload sticker on the truck says; just what the Ram website says. What does the sticker say? It seems pretty obvious to me that you need more truck unfortunately. You said you didn't want to push the envelope and be unsafe so............. Good luck on your search.

[Tbos]

Dave, do you already own the truck and we're planning on buying the 5er? It interesting that Dodge 2500 only has 200lbs more payload than my Chevrolet 1500. Good luck in your search wether it's the TV or RV.


2016 Passport GT 2810BHS, 2014 Silverado 1500 LT in Deep Forest Green

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by Tbos

Dave, do you already own the truck and we're planning on buying the 5er? It interesting that Dodge 2500 only has 200lbs more payload than my Chevrolet 1500. Good luck in your search wether it's the TV or RV.


2016 Passport GT 2810BHS, 2014 Silverado 1500 LT in Deep Forest Green

The average payload on the 2011-2016 Ford SuperDuty XL CC SB diesel is around 2200 pounds. The Platinum and King Ranch versions can drop to around 1700 or even less, depending on optional equipment installed on the truck. That's one of the main reasons that Ford elected to go with aluminum body panels, it gave them a few "extra pounds" to redistribute to a heavier frame, extra "goodies" and leave a few of those extra pounds to put back into the payload. Ford had the "lowest payload" of the big three. When you're "up against a 10,000 pound GVW, every ounce matters.

[CaptnJohn]

Originally Posted by dangerdave

Ok, well at the very least it does look like I am pushing the boundaries of safety. 165 pounds over and that doesn't even count anything me , the wife, 2 dogs etc etc, the hitch (was going to get a superglide 20K to be safe anyway).

I read people use an engine hoist to remove the hitch.

And I appreciate the comment about my truck's "true capabilities". I'm not interested in experimenting to find that out.

So I'm calling it a no-go unfortunately. If anyone can argue differently with good facts I'm all ears.

Thank you for the info!

Payload is the reason I traded an F250 for an F350 srw. My F350 diesel Lariat Ultimate still would make the numbers but not by much with a payload of just 3500#. I have a lot of cushion with my Cougar 5er. The 'published' dry PW is 1705 ~~ real life ready to camp is close to 2410. My F250 diesel XLT had a payload of only 2447. Close enough to be confident in all but the legal side when the truck was loaded. I put the factory tailgate in storage and bought a Husky aluminum 5er gate which saved a lot of weight and put that on my new F350 simply because I like it so much.
There are some "Lite" 5ers on the market with a published PW of 1200 - 1300 but loaded and truck load you may be over 2000# as well.
If you want to hear things would be just fine go to the FR forums and at least half will tell you that you are good to go. Sadly, they are not the only ones towing over one or more numbers. Some substantially, know it, and are proud of it and will be unless a lawyer is ever involved.
Sure glad you found out early! Smart move.

[BirchyBoy]

Originally Posted by Tbos

Dave, do you already own the truck and we're planning on buying the 5er? It interesting that Dodge 2500 only has 200lbs more payload than my Chevrolet 1500. Good luck in your search wether it's the TV or RV.


2016 Passport GT 2810BHS, 2014 Silverado 1500 LT in Deep Forest Green

I've looked at many Ram's and am surprised by the low ratings. I have seen many 2500's as low as 1500lbs payload. Ram does not include the weight of passengers, etc, in that weight, only what is in the bed. Still a low rating, though.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by BirchyBoy

I've looked at many Ram's and am surprised by the low ratings. I have seen many 2500's as low as 1500lbs payload. Ram does not include the weight of passengers, etc, in that weight, only what is in the bed. Still a low rating, though.

I see all the posts on the low payload of the Ram trucks but mine must be a "mutant". It's a 2014 Ram 2500 with nearly all the bells and whistles and my door sticker says my payload is 3200 lbs. It does have the 6.4L and not the diesel but that is quite a bit of difference from many of the posts I'm seeing.

[BirchyBoy]

I think it depends on the packages one Ram was equipped with off-reading axles with disconnects, etc and was rated at 1300lbs. The ones I'm considering are like yours, 6.4 gas with 3k.

[bagged123]

The payload alone prevents a lot of these trucks today in towing most of the fivers out there today and a lot of the newer models have lower payloads compared to the older models. I looked at 2 GM 3500's DRW and they had a 500# difference in payload capacity. It's crazy how the payloads vary from model to model based on options in the truck. My '16 2500 GMC has a payload of 2180 (w/o the plow package) and one with the plow package has a payload of 2400, close to a 300# difference just because of adding a plow