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02-13-2022, 02:30 PM
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Fire at Keystone Fuzion
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02-13-2022, 03:16 PM
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So sad!!!!
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02-13-2022, 03:21 PM
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Ouch!! Sad indeed.
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02-13-2022, 03:24 PM
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Man that is terrible…imagine if you had one on order
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02-13-2022, 05:04 PM
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Looks like a single trailer separate from the building is involved. That's the good news, bad news is those other surrounding trailers look like they are parked pretty close together.
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02-13-2022, 06:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Laredo Tugger
Looks like a single trailer separate from the building is involved. That's the good news, bad news is those other surrounding trailers look like they are parked pretty close together.
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It says in the article that 12-16 rv’s were destroyed…unless I’m missing something
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02-13-2022, 07:07 PM
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Sorry
I didn't click on the story , I thought that was the link to the photo. My bad.
Used to do the same thing with Playboy magazines, just look at the pictures. 😁
RMc
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02-13-2022, 07:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Laredo Tugger
Sorry
I didn't click on the story , I thought that was the link to the photo. My bad.
Used to do the same thing with Playboy magazines, just look at the pictures. 😁
RMc
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:lo: no worries
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02-13-2022, 07:17 PM
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Coming soon to a dealer near you: slight factory defect Fusions, available for a 40% off, like new, just slightly damaged!
All kidding aside, that is a shame to see.
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02-14-2022, 06:30 AM
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I'd be very interested to see the "why" on this one. All those trailers are stored, waiting transportation, with no propane, no battery and supposedly, nothing but the OEM equipment in them. If that's true, what started the fire? If it's an "inert" system that caused it (I don't see how that's possible) then do trailers already delivered to customers have the same risk?
I just don't see how it's possible for a trailer with no electrical power, no flammable gas, nothing stored in it to catch fire.....
Would be interesting to see the fire report.
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02-14-2022, 06:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRTJH
I'd be very interested to see the "why" on this one. ...
Would be interesting to see the fire report.
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My thoughts exactly!
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Jackson, NH
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02-14-2022, 07:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRTJH
I'd be very interested to see the "why" on this one. All those trailers are stored, waiting transportation, with no propane, no battery and supposedly, nothing but the OEM equipment in them. If that's true, what started the fire? If it's an "inert" system that caused it (I don't see how that's possible) then do trailers already delivered to customers have the same risk?
I just don't see how it's possible for a trailer with no electrical power, no flammable gas, nothing stored in it to catch fire.....
Would be interesting to see the fire report.
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Logically I would look to lightning or humane intervention. I know in Baltimore City every fall & winter there's a number of both occupied & abandoned row home fires. The occupied ones were common electric shut offs and people using candles for light and gas ovens for heat. The abandoned row home fires are typicall started by drug addicts.
I'm not a beliver in spontaneous combustion. I'm gussing that fire was human mistef of some sort.
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02-14-2022, 07:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRTJH
I'd be very interested to see the "why" on this one. All those trailers are stored, waiting transportation, with no propane, no battery and supposedly, nothing but the OEM equipment in them. If that's true, what started the fire? If it's an "inert" system that caused it (I don't see how that's possible) then do trailers already delivered to customers have the same risk?
I just don't see how it's possible for a trailer with no electrical power, no flammable gas, nothing stored in it to catch fire.....
Would be interesting to see the fire report.
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The first thoughts I said to DW when I watched that video. Hmmm, sitting in a vacant lot, no source of energy/ignition and they catch on fire? Once going I can see how it would grow quickly but how could it start?
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02-14-2022, 08:51 AM
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Wondering too. Only thing I can think of is vandalism or static electricity.
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02-14-2022, 03:45 PM
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It will be interesting to hear what the investigation of this fire reveals. In my career in the fire service, there were more than a few fire callouts for RV fires I responded to, but these were already fitted with propane and batteries and not in storage at a manufacturer's site. Electrical problems, heaters, range tops and propane leaks are among the causes of RV fires.
Be safe out there...
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RV: Keystone 2013 Alpine 3495FL
TV: 2014 RAM 3500HD Laramie Long Box, 6.4 HEMI, 4x4, 4.10's, with Mopar Puck system, and a B&W Companion hitch.
Retired Firefighter/EMT.
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02-14-2022, 11:56 PM
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One thing a lot of the new rigs have are factory solar panels and solar chargers….
What happens if the batteries are not installed but the solar panel is and the wires are touching together?…fire?
does the new factory solar package come with batteries installed at the factory?
Just wondering
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02-15-2022, 07:12 AM
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New solar equipped Cougar travel trailers come to Canada without batteries.
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02-15-2022, 07:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jasin1
One thing a lot of the new rigs have are factory solar panels and solar chargers….
What happens if the batteries are not installed but the solar panel is and the wires are touching together?…fire?
does the new factory solar package come with batteries installed at the factory?
Just wondering
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Until the fire investigation report is released, anything is more speculation than fact, and no one that was there has made any public statement about the cause of the fire, so what I'm about to say is speculation and not anything official. I don't have any "inside sources" and don't want to suggest that I know any more about this than anyone else "not directly involved in the incident"...
The Solar Flex 200 and 400 sysems do not include batteries. In the Fuzion line, the Solar Flex 600 system is optional. That system includes a 270 Ah Dragonfly Energy heated Lithium-ion battery. I'm not sure if the battery is installed and the system is functional or if the system is installed but the battery is not connected at the factory. So, there may be an "active lithium-ion battery if any of those trailers were equipped with the optional solar system. It's very likely that in a "high end $125K toy hauler", someone would opt for a "high end solar system".
So, it's possible, maybe even very likely that one or more of those trailers did have a "potentially explosive battery" connected to the system...
Whether that contributed to the fire is anybody's guess at this time. It may have been arson, lightening, possibly a space heater left on (if they were fixing QC problems on a rig parked right outside the door and they forgot to unplug the heater at quitting time) or one of "way too many" other possibilities...
But, yes, if any of those trailers had the Solar Flex 600 system, then it's possible that they did have a 270 Ah Dragonfly Energy heated Lithium-ion battery installed.
Here's what the battery manufacturer has to say about thermal runaway in batteries. They produce Lithium-ion batteries but publish a photo of a lead-acid battery that burned, so there's no doubt that "advertising bias" is a part of the article. https://dragonflyenergy.com/thermal-runaway/
Hopefully, whatever caused the fire at Keystone is an isolated incident and won't have "reaching issues" that involve trailers that are in campgrounds around the country.
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02-16-2022, 08:05 AM
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It is scary how quick those baby go up.
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02-20-2022, 08:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flybouy
Logically I would look to lightning or humane intervention. I know in Baltimore City every fall & winter there's a number of both occupied & abandoned row home fires. The occupied ones were common electric shut offs and people using candles for light and gas ovens for heat. The abandoned row home fires are typicall started by drug addicts.
I'm not a beliver in spontaneous combustion. I'm gussing that fire was human mistef of some sort.
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But sometimes it is indeed spontaneous combustion.
In the mid '70s, a whole corner of the Pentagon got taken out by a linseed oil rag.
Given how these guys are known to lose hammer heads in black tanks, I wouldn't be surprised at something like that.
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