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concours · 11-06-2013, 06:00 PM

What is everyone using for rear tires on a 1 ton 2WD DIESEL SRW towing a 5th wheel?. Living in Canada I installed BF Goodrich AT KO's 1 year and 11,500 KM ago and they are 50% worn our the BFG rep says that the torque of the diesels are hard on them and expect no more than 25,000 km. I have no problem with that statement but next year snow should not be a factor so what tires are doing well when towing a fiver?

FireMech · 11-06-2013, 06:25 PM

Currently I am running Hankook Dynapro ATM on my 4x4 diesel and they are very nice. Next set I will try the Toyo Open Country AT II. My previous Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armor did not last.

Charli · 11-06-2013, 07:23 PM

I don't understand your reps comments about only being able to get 25000km. I have 85000km on my truck with the OEM BF Goodrich Rugged Trail T/A tires on them. Can probably get another 20000km on them before replacing. I'd estimate that at least half of my mileage is towing my 5th and the rest is mostly highway.
I'll probably go with Michelins when I switch over cause I think the ride will be a little smother and they have better winter traction.

davidjsimons · 11-07-2013, 01:55 AM

I run the Michelin LTX M/S 2 on my DRW 3500. I have run Michelin tires for years now and routinely get 55-60,000 miles out of them. I do a lot of heavy towing and I'm sure it takes away from the tire life. Just as much as the weight being towed, hard breaking will suck the life right out of a tire. Along with good tire wear, I've always managed to get good brake service. While high torque is hard on rear tires, it is only so if you are trying to snatch your load from a dead standstill or under hard acceleration. I believe the tire rep is making a generalization to excuse poor tread wear.

2013 Cougar 28 RBS
2012 Ram 3500 Dually
6.7 Cummins H.O.
4.10 rears.

jsmith948 · 11-07-2013, 07:15 AM

An interesting thread. Tires vary greatly from one brand/type to another because of their construction and the formulation of the rubber compound.
Remember the Atlas Plycron and Atlas Bucrons? (I'm dating myself here).
When I was a kid, we used to put the Bucrons on the rear because the rubber was soft and gave better traction when drag racing. The advertisement boasted that they were guaranteed not to squeal when cornering (butyl rubber in the compound)

I ran BFG All Terrain A/T's on my previous p/u and used to get 60,000 miles.
I think your dealer is BSing you.
By the way - regarding the statement about diesel torque - that will certainly affect tire wear. But, that is all in the right foot. Try not to use all of that torque every time you take off - you'll probably see a difference

SAABDOCTOR · 11-07-2013, 11:15 AM

I toorun the Michelin ltx load range E tires on my Dodge the Goodrich oem's lasted 21k miles. the miches have 70k and are 305 worn.

they were expensive but worth it.

Ken / Claudia · 11-07-2013, 04:27 PM

I was once told that the high torque of my diesel wears tires out faster. I found that with toyo MTs on my gasser and my diesel both get about 30,000 miles at the wear marks. I think mileage changes with psi and rotateing the tires. Air up when pulling down without and rotate them. I have had Toyo M-55 and Toyo MTs. Both are all season 10 plys rated at 3740max wt. Both get loud as they wear, M-55 more loud. 7 sets of the mentioned tires and I really have got between 30,000 and max 40,000 miles on them. I do not buy tires and expect high miles, I get what I think I need.

concours · 11-07-2013, 05:55 PM

Guys I'm a 61 year old that really takes it very easy on the gas peddle and talking Kilometers not miles. I have been checking into Toyo Open Country HT Tuff Duty they are supposedly designed for the high torque of the newer diesels has anyone had experience with them?

LittleJoe · 11-08-2013, 04:48 AM

Are you sure someone hasn't been doing burnouts with your truck?
Seriously 50% wear in 7000 miles or are you running up hill on the Couqahalla all the time?
I get 60-80K km out of street tread Cooper's

SAABDOCTOR · 11-08-2013, 07:51 AM

hi concours I too am 61. the lighter the foot the better the mileage. But i like that statement diesels ware out the tires faster because of torque. what a clever way of cya by a tire salesman! When I was younger I wore out tires much faster. so it must be an age thing that does it

not what type of fuel i use.

2014Fuzion300 · 11-08-2013, 08:02 AM

Open Country M/T
35X12.5X17 E rated
love them !!!

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Outbackmel · 11-08-2013, 04:20 PM

Good conversation. Been thinking of a dually and this helps. Run Michelins on my 2500 diesel and now at 44,000 and about to change them out even though tread is good, and warranty is for 70,000. Starting to see sidewall cracks.

As with any tire, weight, rotation, alignment, balance and initial rubber compound are deciding factors.

Rear motorcycle tires are a softer compound for grip and wear 2x as fast as front tires. Of course, throttle down or two up riding has a wear effect as well.

concours · 11-08-2013, 05:56 PM

I now find out that Toyo make a Open Country HT Tuff Duty designed for heavily loaded diesels, also found out that some BF Goodrich AT's have the Mountain peak and Snowflake on them which means they are very soft.

Jim W · 11-09-2013, 07:18 AM

I always run Michelins tires I have changed both of my TV to Michelins tires as soon as economically able to make the change. I had them on my 2001 Chevy 6.0L 2500HD SRW truck pulling our first 5er a 270RKS Summit Ridge from Ameri-Camp.

Bought a new TV 2008, 2500HD Mega Cab with the 6.7L Cummins when stock it produced 350HP and 650lb-ft of torque. The truck in 09; was modified to run 60HP/120lb-ft at the rear wheels over the stock numbers with a tuner.

I changed out the factory original equipment tires in April 2011 with 41,750 miles on them. The tires still had decent tread on them but the Michelins were on sale and the camping season was starting; so I bought the Michelins. I rotate them every 6,000 miles and air the rear tires up and down; if I have the trailer attached or not. The max air pressure is 70 PSI when I am pulling the 5er and 50 PSI when the truck is unloaded. I now have 27,000 miles on the tires and they still look new and should make the 70,000 miles tire life as Michelins advertizes.

I do not believe any tire dealer when he tells you that the truck produces too much wheel torque for the rear tires and this is what is causing them to wear out early. To me what causes this is either under inflated tires or over inflated tires and or a suspension issues. I would air the rear tires down to say 50 PSI unloaded state and drive over a clean white sheet of paper. Look at the tread pattern is the tire making full contact? Repeat this at what you pull the camper at with the camper attached if possible. What does the tread pattern look like? You may need to play with the air pressure a little to achieve full contact pattern. Than this is the correct air pressure to run loaded and unload for best tire life.

By the way I am 64 years young.

Jim W.

Charli · 11-09-2013, 11:32 PM

Jim W
Did you stay with the 17" tires or move up to 18 or 20. Would the bigger tires improve the towing capacity? Would the ride get even stiffer? (Have already lost a couple of fillings) I'll be moving to Michelins when the OE wears out.
What tuner did you use? Did you do any "deletes" or other mods. I'm looking at using a Smarty tuner. Not sure about deletes. Talking to "my guy" on Tuesday to get his recommendation. We are very close to buying a Silverback 33RL and will be adding bags at the very least.

Jim W · 11-10-2013, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Charli

Jim W
Did you stay with the 17" tires or move up to 18 or 20. Would the bigger tires improve the towing capacity? Would the ride get even stiffer? (Have already lost a couple of fillings) I'll be moving to Michelins when the OE wears out.
What tuner did you use? Did you do any "deletes" or other mods. I'm looking at using a Smarty tuner. Not sure about deletes. Talking to "my guy" on Tuesday to get his recommendation. We are very close to buying a Silverback 33RL and will be adding bags at the very least.

Bruce,

HI. I am using the stock size tires for the 2008 Mega Cab which are LT2625/70R/17E, 121R they are the M/S2 tire and are rated at 3195 at 80 PSI. But I run them at the 70 PSI as this is the recommend air pressure that Ram states on the tire placard on the B pillar of the truck when towing and 50 when I am not. If you are looking for more capacity you might look at Rickson wheels (I believe that is the name) for 19.5 inch rim and tires. Some of the users on Turbo Diesel Registry . Com, have used these with great success.

Yes; I am using a Smarty S67 with the ME23 file and have had great results. A 5” TBE from MBRP and muffler/6” tip. I do have three gages too Boost, EGT, and Transmission temperature mounted on the A-pillar of the truck. There is a Fumoto drain valve on the oil pan make changing the engine oil easier. I have also installed AIR Bags with an on board compressor from Air-Lift co, the AIR Lift 5000 is the model name. The truck also has front and rear Mag-Hytec differential covers for extra oil capacity with a Mag-Hytec transmission oil pan extra oil capacity too. I am also using an extra fuel filter from Glacier Diesel the Big line kit; filter NO is FF5320. Two Amp bed steps one at the bumper and one on the LH side to reach the hitch and pin box.

Hope this helps?

Jim W.

skifreak76 · 11-10-2013, 05:19 PM

I'm using BF Goodrich Commerical TA's. bought them 3 years ago still plenty of thread and awesome traction.

MConnelly · 12-07-2013, 07:45 PM

I could be reading a number of posts wrong and if I am sorry in advance.
But, I get the distinct impression that the general consensus is the milage the manufacturer associates with a tire is the expected tread life. For instance the Michelin is a 70,000 mile tire. I believe the 70,000 ,or what ever number, refers to the milage limit that the manufacturer will warrantee the tire for under a prorated schedule. While the big number may indicate the confidence the manufacturer has in it's product , I don't think if you only got 50,000 miles on a 70,000 mile tire you would be getting any dollars adjusted.
Again , If I just misread the meanings my apologies

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