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Old 04-27-2020, 05:17 AM   #21
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"I won’t suggest fraud on the part of hospitals but"

I would.
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Old 04-27-2020, 08:37 AM   #22
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"I won’t suggest fraud on the part of hospitals but"

I would.
Maybe not so much the hospital as much as the.source they report to.
uTube already has numerous videos of "celebrities" (some I've never heard of) that have passed due to COVID 19.
CV19 is news, heart attacks, kidney failure, natural causes are not.
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Old 04-27-2020, 12:52 PM   #23
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Many of the people who die after contracting the covid virus, die from multiple organ failure. "The most severe cases — about 6% of patients — end up in intensive care with multi-organ failure, respiratory failure and septic shock, according to a February report from the WHO."
Some very interesting information here about How Patients Die after contracting the virus: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...-a-deadly-turn.
Note, in this article, Dr Fauci says "It's acting much more like a really bad influenza." comapred to SARS.
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Old 04-27-2020, 01:01 PM   #24
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In our county (Medina County Texas) there have been 19 confirmed cases and two deaths. Thirteen have fully recovered and four are "active cases". None of the active cases are hospitalized so guessing they are not dangerous. Unfortunately, there is no indication of the demographics; especially of the deaths. I think one of the reasons for the very low number of cases is that there is virtually no testing in my county that I know of. The relaxed rules allow for restaurants to open but with 25 percent capacity; not sure how that will affect those businesses. Must be based on building occupancy I guess... I can't imagine playing a round of golf with a bandana over my kisser.

Texas Governor Abbott today loosened the guidence/rules:
AUSTIN — Gov. Greg Abbott on Monday said his statewide stay-at-home order will expire on Thursday as scheduled, while Texas malls, stores, restaurants, movie theaters and restaurants may open the next day -- with 25% occupancy.

Barber shops, hair salons, gyms, massage establishments, tattoo parlors, video arcades and bowling alleys must wait until mid-May at the earliest to reopen, he said.

Outdoor sports such as golf and tennis may resume with no more than four participants in a match, and they must observe social distancing guidelines, he said.

Businesses will be free to choose not to open, and in less populated counties with five or fewer confirmed cases, they will be able to open at 50% capacity, he said.

Museums and public libraries can reopen, again with the 25% capacity limitation. However, a city doesn’t have to let them do so, Abbott said. And in shopping malls, he said, food courts, play areas and interactive displays and settings must remain closed, he said.

The Republican governor “strongly” recommended that Texans wear masks while in public. However, he said local requirements imposed by Democratic-controlled commissioners courts in Dallas and Harris counties -- as well as elsewhere -- are superseded by his new orders. No one can be fined by a locality for not wearing a facial covering, he said.
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Old 04-27-2020, 03:31 PM   #25
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Doing some quick math, if we assume a 1% death rate and we just let 'er rip and get to max "herd immunity" as quickly as possible by letting everyone get infected, and given that the vast majority of the people who die would be older generations, that would be about 3 million fewer people to vote in the next election who predominantly lean to the right...

Hmm, trying to look for the downside here.

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Old 04-27-2020, 03:51 PM   #26
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Once the virus quits being the top headlines & things get back to normal, whatever that may be from here on, you can bet your a## this will be about politics, one group blaming the other for how it was handled, or mishandled.
Not trying to bring up politics here, but we all know what's coming from ALL the media, after all it's an election year & there has to be someone to blame.
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Old 04-27-2020, 04:37 PM   #27
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Here are some state-wide numbers from Florida. I'm intrigued that the distribution of confirmed cases (the multi-color bar chart) is basically a Gaussian distribution by age bin. Mortality information is provided in a (now) 570 page report (it gets longer every day) that one can download but is not available on the web site graphically by age.
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Old 04-28-2020, 10:51 AM   #28
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Some good discussion. I will point out that we will likely never know how many people around the county have actually contracted the virus because many have and didn't have sufficient symptoms to warrant testing or no testing is/was available and in most cases recovered. While it is easy to pan the government, either local, state or Federal about over reach on their attempt to contain the spread through somewhat draconian measures, the spread has been slowed down a lot by these measures. While many of us haven't seen the effect, if places like NYC had isolation in place, perhaps more would have made it that perished from the bug. While healthy people who hae been exposed and may be communicable or those with little evidence of the symptoms don't appear to be greatly at risk, mixing them with elderly and/or at risk seems like a poor idea to me and must be balanced with getting our economy back on its feet. In Texas, according to the state Dept of Heath Service there have only been three deaths in the 20-29 age range but 134 in the 80 year and plus range. The mortality rate for those with very advanced age is surely higher than that for the young but how many would have survived if there had been no attempt to isolate during this season of plague? I am glad I didn't have to make these decisions. Did government over reach? Dunno but I think lives were saved and does government have the wisdom to transition safely out of all the rules set up to isolate? Probably not but who does?
George, alot of issues here that are problematic. We are finding that ALOT more people have been exposed/had COVID19 than originally thought. This is because testing was not done on perfectly healthy people. Only those who showed symptoms. The result is that it diminishes the previously thought deadliness of the virus. It also demonstrates that social distancing DIDN'T help near as much as we thought. The virus is running it's natural course as mother nature intended. We have simply punished ourselves for thinking we could control mother nature. If the unhealthy are vulnerable, I agree, they should be isolated. But medical practices never quarantine the healthy. It's harmful to the immune system. Everyone's immune systems NEED to fight viruses. That's how they get stronger.
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Old 04-28-2020, 10:56 AM   #29
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Doing some quick math, if we assume a 1% death rate and we just let 'er rip and get to max "herd immunity" as quickly as possible by letting everyone get infected, and given that the vast majority of the people who die would be older generations, that would be about 3 million fewer people to vote in the next election who predominantly lean to the right...

Hmm, trying to look for the downside here.

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Stay safe everyone, we'll get through it.
Hrmmm. Also might extend the current social security projections past 2035...👍
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Once the virus quits being the top headlines & things get back to normal, whatever that may be from here on, you can bet your a## this will be about politics, one group blaming the other for how it was handled, or mishandled.
Not trying to bring up politics here, but we all know what's coming from ALL the media, after all it's an election year & there has to be someone to blame.
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Old 04-28-2020, 10:10 PM   #31
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To the people who won’t wear masks or social distance to build “herd immunity”.
I have three words for you. Polio, tuberculosis and small pox.
Do those first and then I might listen.
We’ve tested about 2% of the population and have lost more people in two months than the entire Vietnam War. The failure is glaring.
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Old 04-29-2020, 04:23 AM   #32
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Airmen I agree. Darwinian socialism would certainly "thin the herd if left to the uninformed". I'm guessing the same proponents of "herd immunity" don't have their children immunized? Do they let them get exposed to measles, mumps, rubella, polio, the flu? And while we're going down the happy "build your immunity trail" why bother with pasteurized milk? And put down that bottle of water! Drink right out of the pond or stream those little little swimming things you see in the microscope make you stronger!

Wash your hands? Why? Do you expect people handling your food at the deli counter or in a restaurant to wear gloves? How silly, why you're preventing your immune system from fully developing.

And one final thought. Allowing the "natural progression" of disease that disproportionately effects the elderly I guess is a great idea if that prevents you from enjoying your desires and wants. But I'm guessing that sacrificing that segment of society won't be such a great idea once you become part of the group.

There will be plenty of blame to go around, plenty of fingers to point, plenty of "I told you so" to go around to last the country for generations to come but I'd suggest folks take a breath, think things thru, use some common sense. Try to "ignore the noise" after all it's an election year and politics are running rampant and rabid. Who's saying what and WHY? Statistics can be and are manipulated to prove any theory or thought. Hitler had his scientist "prove" that Germanic people were "genetically superior" to the other races. He and his followers had tens of millions of people executed in the name of his "facts". He instilled enough fear that this seemed reasonable to the Nazi Party.

Let's think and not let fear grip our thoughts and words so radically. A little common sense goes a long way.
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Old 04-29-2020, 12:26 PM   #33
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Doing some quick math, if we assume a 1% death rate and we just let 'er rip and get to max "herd immunity" as quickly as possible by letting everyone get infected, and given that the vast majority of the people who die would be older generations, that would be about 3 million fewer people to vote in the next election who predominantly lean to the right...

Hmm, trying to look for the downside here.

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Stay safe everyone, we'll get through it.
Thanks for sharing your opinion; I wasn't going to comment but your culling the herd comment stuck with me. My Daddy fought in WWII because there was another gentleman who was big on culling the herd. In fact he was darn good at it and put up many gas chambers to do just that. You being from the leftist coast and assuming everyone who would be culled would be a geezer would be taken out of the voting pool is telling. I guess since the demographics showing elderly are especially at risk will be balanced by the higher incidence of certain racial groups so the culling may not have such a happy effect on voter turn out as you hope. Just out of curiosity, have you ever served others; say in the military or a volunteer fireman? That sort of thing. Hard to take culling the herd comments for me anyway. Good luck and enjoy your life.
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Airmen I agree. Darwinian socialism would certainly "thin the herd if left to the uninformed". I'm guessing the same proponents of "herd immunity" don't have their children immunized? Do they let them get exposed to measles, mumps, rubella, polio, the flu? And while we're going down the happy "build your immunity trail" why bother with pasteurized milk? And put down that bottle of water! Drink right out of the pond or stream those little little swimming things you see in the microscope make you stronger!

Wash your hands? Why? Do you expect people handling your food at the deli counter or in a restaurant to wear gloves? How silly, why you're preventing your immune system from fully developing.

And one final thought. Allowing the "natural progression" of disease that disproportionately effects the elderly I guess is a great idea if that prevents you from enjoying your desires and wants. But I'm guessing that sacrificing that segment of society won't be such a great idea once you become part of the group.

There will be plenty of blame to go around, plenty of fingers to point, plenty of "I told you so" to go around to last the country for generations to come but I'd suggest folks take a breath, think things thru, use some common sense. Try to "ignore the noise" after all it's an election year and politics are running rampant and rabid. Who's saying what and WHY? Statistics can be and are manipulated to prove any theory or thought. Hitler had his scientist "prove" that Germanic people were "genetically superior" to the other races. He and his followers had tens of millions of people executed in the name of his "facts". He instilled enough fear that this seemed reasonable to the Nazi Party.

Let's think and not let fear grip our thoughts and words so radically. A little common sense goes a long way.
If natural selection were a factor in the gene pool, how did so many evade culling that are obviously dumber than a brick.
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Thanks for sharing your opinion; I wasn't going to comment but your culling the herd comment stuck with me. My Daddy fought in WWII because there was another gentleman who was big on culling the herd. In fact he was darn good at it and put up many gas chambers to do just that. You being from the leftist coast and assuming everyone who would be culled would be a geezer would be taken out of the voting pool is telling. I guess since the demographics showing elderly are especially at risk will be balanced by the higher incidence of certain racial groups so the culling may not have such a happy effect on voter turn out as you hope. Just out of curiosity, have you ever served others; say in the military or a volunteer fireman? That sort of thing. Hard to take culling the herd comments for me anyway. Good luck and enjoy your life.
Apparently my sarcasm was missed despite calling it out explicitly. None of what I said was intended literally, and my apologies if anyone took it as such.

I do find it puzzling that some who are calling for the restrictions to end are in the groups most likely to be impacted, and in fact are saying that they are willing to "take one for the team" if it saves the economy, like Dan Patrick (Texas Lt. Governor).

I personally have zero desire for any generation to be impacted at all, much less "culled" (your word, not mine), and I hope that the states starting to open back up don't see a rebound effect.
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I caught Covid in Mississippi this year. Took about two weeks to come down with any symptoms started off with a slight loss of energy and appetite and continually got worse lost 15 pounds, for me the covid was a mixture of pneumonia and flu that lasted nine days with the temperature . The drag is the symptoms linger on loss of hair smell and taste but I am slowly getting back. I took ibuprofen and drink TheraFlu. I was not vaccinated but will be soon. I was in Michigan at RV park and was not going to report myself to the authorities self isolating , didn’t matter I didn’t feel like doing anything to begin with. When I came back to New Mexico With no fever and feeling better I tested negative. The fear mongering the news and cdc puts out about Covid , somebody that had the disease could die from thinking about what they have been told over and over again.
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I am very glad that such an important topic is being discussed here and that there are indeed many sensible people with critical thinking (or just adequate thinking) who know how to analyze information and not take for granted everything we are told on TV or the news. In this whole situation, they publish the kind of news they want us to hear, not that which is 100% true. And many people blindly believe
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And rachel maddow will not apologize for saying over and over that anyone that gets the jab WILL STOP the spread,, they CANNOT pass on the vitus...
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My wife and I got it in December of last year(2020). We lost our sense of smell and sense of taste was also affected, but somewhat to a lesser degree. We couldn't get tested at the time as they didn't have enough test apparently.

Symptoms were similar to a cold. I was tired, slept a lot for about 5 days, but no fever detected. My wife wasn't affected as much. Sniffles mostly.

In August of this year we got the Delta variant. Congestion in my lungs was hard to expel. Very "sticky", more so than I've ever experienced with colds or the flu, but not debilitating. It was a little scary, especially as I actually knew several people who got this version and were hospitalized as in ICU. And these were healthy, strong men between the ages of 30-50 years old.

We are not vaccinated and have no intentions in doing so. It has become apparent that the vaccines, (1) Don't stop the spread, and (2) don't stop you from getting it.

While it may or may not lessen the symptoms I believe our exposure has strengthened our immune system. I personally don't think there is a definitive answer in getting a handle on this but if the government was truly concerned for our safety they would start by stopping the thousands of unvaccinated people coming into our country through the southern border.

Not downplaying the virus by any means but the fact is the survival rate is over 99%, yes?
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My wife and I got it in December of last year(2020). We lost our sense of smell and sense of taste was also affected, but somewhat to a lesser degree. We couldn't get tested at the time as they didn't have enough test apparently.

Symptoms were similar to a cold. I was tired, slept a lot for about 5 days, but no fever detected. My wife wasn't affected as much. Sniffles mostly.

In August of this year we got the Delta variant. Congestion in my lungs was hard to expel. Very "sticky", more so than I've ever experienced with colds or the flu, but not debilitating. It was a little scary, especially as I actually knew several people who got this version and were hospitalized as in ICU. And these were healthy, strong men between the ages of 30-50 years old.

We are not vaccinated and have no intentions in doing so. It has become apparent that the vaccines, (1) Don't stop the spread, and (2) don't stop you from getting it.

While it may or may not lessen the symptoms I believe our exposure has strengthened our immune system. I personally don't think there is a definitive answer in getting a handle on this but if the government was truly concerned for our safety they would start by stopping the thousands of unvaccinated people coming into our country through the southern border.

Not downplaying the virus by any means but the fact is the survival rate is over 99%, yes?

Just curious. How did you know it was the delta that got you this time. Is there some test for that variant specifically? How do you differentiate between delta and omicron? Just curious...
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