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09-02-2017, 03:19 AM
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GFCI outlets
On my 2017 Hideout there are a number of outlets, spread out throughout the camper, that have "protected by GFCI" labels on them. The only GFCI breaker that I found was in the master bathroom.
Does anyone know of any other breakers somewhere that I missed, or is there only one GFCI circuit? Also when it rains somewhat hard it trips this circuit.
Any information and help is much appreciated.
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09-02-2017, 03:27 AM
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It's a common practice, both in houses and TT to put a GFCI receptacle in and then "daisy chain" more receptacles downstream of the one GFCI, thus the downstream one are protected also. There may or may not be another GFCI receptacle in your trailer, it just depends on how it was wired. The reason that the GFCI was tripped is most likely there is an outside receptacle that is being fed from the GGCI and it got some moisture/water in it when the heavy rain started. I had the same thing happen a couple of weeks ago while at the track and we go a downpour that resembled a cow peeing on a flat rock. The GFCI recept. tripped, which killed the power to an outside recpt., a recpt in the bedroom, and maybe a couple of other. You might want to check the outside recpt. and make sure that the weatherproof cover is fully closed and that the caulk job around the cover is not letting any water/moisture into the recpt. area.
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09-02-2017, 03:27 AM
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The one you found is it. If you have an outlet on the exterior of your trailer, I would look at the seal for the cover. It may be leaking and the outside plug is part of the GFCI circuit.
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09-02-2017, 05:02 AM
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GFCI'S have a "line" and a "load" set of terminal screws on them. The GFCI outlet will have one set of wires coming from ur panel and the other 2wires (hot and neutral) coming off the GFCI will be goin to every outlet that the manufacturer was trying to GFCI "protect". Typically the NEC (national electric code) is any outlet within 6feet of water and/or any ouyside outlets. U could remove the wires from the load side of the GFCI and put them on the line side and it will not trip the GFCI, however......I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THIS. GFCI'S are meant to trip at a .02 milliamps of difference between the hot and neutral and it only takes .6 milliamps to stop a human heart. It's tripping and doing it's job. Now the other thing is that GFCIs can and do go bad and it might need to be replaced with a QUALITY GFCI.
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09-02-2017, 05:47 AM
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I suspect that everyone who's posted so far knows as much and probably more about AC electricity as I do. I would emphasize the phrase "quality receptical." What's a few bucks where lives are at stake?
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09-02-2017, 08:43 AM
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I'm pretty sure I've got the Electrical stuff figured out. It's really pretty simple stuff......You gots one wire a comin' and one wire a goin'!
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09-02-2017, 08:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xrated
I'm pretty sure I've got the Electrical stuff figured out. It's really pretty simple stuff......You gots one wire a comin' and one wire a goin'!
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And one more wire sittin' thar, nekkid and turning copper colored (embarrassed) cause it don't got no "pardner".......
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09-02-2017, 11:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JRTJH
And one more wire sittin' thar, nekkid and turning copper colored (embarrassed) cause it don't got no "pardner".......
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John.....it seems that you've "ground" down to the truth with that one! But I should have expected it, you are usually the one to "Bare" the truth, no matter how grounded it is!
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09-02-2017, 01:48 PM
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Man, after those three posts I was positive I could come up with something to piggy back on them but.......they're just too dang funny and I can't come with anything Thanks and good job
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09-02-2017, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sourdough
Man, after those three posts I was positive I could come up with something to piggy back on them but.......they're just too dang funny and I can't come with anything Thanks and good job
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There is nothing "positive" about GFCI circuits, so I think I'll just remain "neutral" in this discussion!
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09-02-2017, 05:54 PM
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LOL.........nice
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09-02-2017, 08:09 PM
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09-09-2017, 01:55 AM
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No wonder these things trip from time to time. [emoji16]
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11-06-2018, 02:08 AM
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There is no interaction between one GFCI and another, unless one is faulty in some ground-faulting manner. Set that idea aside and let's imagine some scenarios where all the branch circuit wiring and GFCIs are good.
The GFCI receptacle will trip with a leakage, let's say, of 5.12 milliamps that can come from whatever is downstream of it.
The GFCI breaker will trip, let's pretend, at 5.3 milliamps.
Now the branch circuit has a couple other outlets on it between the GFCI breaker and the GFCI receptacle, and the branch circuit conductors are each about 55 feet long between the breaker and receptacle. There will be a capacitive "leakage" to ground along the 55 feet. Lets say that is 0.1 milliamp.
If no load is connected to any of the outlets between breaker and GFCI receptacle, and a ground fault downstream of the GFCI receptacle of 5.15 milliamps occurs, the receptacle will see 5.15 milliamps, and the breaker will see 5.25 milliamps. The receptacle will trip.
Now, let's add a cord and plug "thing" to one of the intermediate outlets between the GFCI breaker and the GFCI receptacle, a thing that has a ground fault "leakage" of 0.2 milliamps. Now, a ground fault through the GFCI receptacle of 5.05 milliamps occurs, the GFCI receptacle will see 5.05 milliamps and not trip, and the GFCI breaker will see 5.35 milliamps and the breaker WILL trip.
Moral of the story: It's hard to know, without careful circuit analysis, which GFCI will trip. The end user will probably find their behavior to be a mystery and hard to live with.
I currently have 2 dedicated 120v/20 amp circuits that have 20 amp GFCI receptacles (these). After some thought and consideration I realized it would be quite difficult to test/reset a faulted GFCI outlet as my tank/stand is about 43" from the receptacle and I would be leaning across a 36" wide sump.
So I went and bought two Square D Homeline 20-Amp Single-Pole GFCI Circuit Breakers https://besttoolexpert.com/gfci-outlet/ (my sub-panel is a Square D Homeline model).
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11-06-2018, 04:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thatoneguy99
On my 2017 Hideout there are a number of outlets, spread out throughout the camper, that have "protected by GFCI" labels on them. The only GFCI breaker that I found was in the master bathroom.
Does anyone know of any other breakers somewhere that I missed, or is there only one GFCI circuit? Also when it rains somewhat hard it trips this circuit.
Any information and help is much appreciated.
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On most of the Keystone RV units there is ONE GECI breaker with all the remaining outlets daisy chained off this GFCI, inside and out. (shameful) The major appliances will have there own circuits. Take a look at the breakers in the circuit breaker panel for specifics on your unit. They should be clearly identified.
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11-06-2018, 07:30 AM
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If heavy rain is tripping the GFI, I would start at the outside outlet. I’ve seen the cover seal not installed correctly.
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11-08-2018, 08:10 AM
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Mots mid-sized RVs I've seen have two circuits for the outlets - 1 GFI protected that runs through wet locations (kitchen, bathroom, exterior), the other circuit for the rest of the outlets. This is not only helpful to know for the subject at hand but also if you want to plug in multiple space heaters and get them on separate circuits so you don't overload.
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