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06-03-2016, 08:56 PM
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Pin box bolts loosened
For those that tow fifth wheels, here are a couple pictures of my hitch on my Mountana Mountaineer 37.5 ft. trailer. It has the Moreryde (sp?) hitch. Yesterday we returned to Snohomish, Washington from a three week trip during which we hitched and un-hitched four times. On the way home I had a couple incidences that are worth mentioning. The first I want to mention and warn everyone traveling I-90 westbound mile 32 through North Bend, WA. Stay out of the far right lane, regardless of what you are towing. There are a series of dips close together that I have hit numerous times in the past and I should have remembered but I didn't. They put my truck and trailer in a violent up and down occillation.Then while exiting I-405 a bit later I had an idiot flatbed tow truck operator pull out from the shoulder as I was traveling at least 50mph. I had to slam on the brakes and lock up the trailer brakes. Either of these incidenses may have caused the loosening of my hitch bolts but I wanted everyone to know what can happen. I will be checking the torque on a regular basis from now on. The first picture is the inside of the pin box and the other is the bolts on the outside.
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06-04-2016, 05:24 AM
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Something to check, as these trailers are rolling earthquakes.
Related...for the Andersen hitch folks, check the kingpin adapter Allens occasionally as they tend to loosen a bit. 40# of torque.
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06-04-2016, 11:21 AM
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I checked I have one bolt that looks like it has moved. Will torque it down along will all the others. Thanks for the tip
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06-04-2016, 01:54 PM
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According to the MORryde installation manual, the following are the torques recommended:
BOLT SIZE---------GRADE 5--------GRADE 8
1/2 x 13------------65 ft lbs--------80 ft lbs
5/8 x 11------------135 ft lbs-------170 ft lbs
3/4 x 10------------220 ft lbs-------280 ft lbs
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06-04-2016, 02:56 PM
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Just changed out my pin box to a rota flex. Guess I'll get the 3/4" drive torque wrench out and crank on them some more.
At work I use an impact gun that can produce 740 lb/ft of torque.
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06-04-2016, 07:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbecky
According to the MORryde installation manual, the following are the torques recommended:
BOLT SIZE---------GRADE 5--------GRADE 8
1/2 x 13------------65 ft lbs--------80 ft lbs
5/8 x 11------------135 ft lbs-------170 ft lbs
3/4 x 10------------220 ft lbs-------280 ft lbs
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My Lippert box shows about a 1/32" shift. Not a big concern, but will retorque.
1/2------90#
5/8-----150#
3/4-----275#
All grade 5.
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Desert185 🇺🇸 (Retired Chemtrail vendor)
-Ram 2500 QC, LB, 4x4, Cummins HO/exhaust brake, 6-speed stick.
-Andersen Ultimate 24K 5er Hitch.
-2014 Cougar 326SRX, Maxxis tires w/TPMS, wet bolts, two 6v batts.
-Four Wheel 8' Popup Camper.
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06-05-2016, 01:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbecky
According to the MORryde installation manual, the following are the torques recommended:
BOLT SIZE---------GRADE 5--------GRADE 8
1/2 x 13------------65 ft lbs--------80 ft lbs
5/8 x 11------------135 ft lbs-------170 ft lbs
3/4 x 10------------220 ft lbs-------280 ft lbs
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I found the same spec on the MORryde site. Now to find a torque wrench to rent that goes that high.
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Retired Plumber, Building & Plumbing Inspector, Stormwater Drainage Inspector.
2013 Mountana Montaineer 375FLF
2011 Open Range Roamer 281FL
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06-05-2016, 01:54 PM
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Come on down...LOL. My 3/4 drive goes to 300 lb/ft.
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2012 Copper Canyon 273FWRET being towed by a 1994 Ford F350 CC,LB,Dually diesel.
Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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06-05-2016, 05:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Elk4me
I found the same spec on the MORryde site. Now to find a torque wrench to rent that goes that high.
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Autozone/ Advance Auto will rent you those for essentially free. You give them a deposit and they give it all back to you when you return it.
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06-06-2016, 10:30 AM
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If you show some slippage, you might consider some new fasteners as the photos show they are Grade 5. Grade 8 will move you into a higher torque number and with that higher number you will have a higher clamping pressure. Also, if they have slipped, you may want to look at the condition if you reuse those bolts as they are in a shear assembly mode and may be strength compromised if any damage shows.
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06-06-2016, 11:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave W
If you show some slippage, you might consider some new fasteners as the photos show they are Grade 5. Grade 8 will move you into a higher torque number and with that higher number you will have a higher clamping pressure. Also, if they have slipped, you may want to look at the condition if you reuse those bolts as they are in a shear assembly mode and may be strength compromised if any damage shows.
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I was thinking the same thing this morning. Since I'm sick in bed with a mega-cold I haven't had a chance to remove and inspect the bolts. I did look a little further in the Lippert site and found a maintenance manual buried in the bowls of the site. They recommend checking the pin box bolts every 1500-2000 miles (!) and torquing them to 95-110#. I assume that's a Grade 5 torque, as mine are Grade 5 bolts. That setting differs with Etrailer specs, though.
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-Ram 2500 QC, LB, 4x4, Cummins HO/exhaust brake, 6-speed stick.
-Andersen Ultimate 24K 5er Hitch.
-2014 Cougar 326SRX, Maxxis tires w/TPMS, wet bolts, two 6v batts.
-Four Wheel 8' Popup Camper.
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06-07-2016, 08:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Desert185
I was thinking the same thing this morning. Since I'm sick in bed with a mega-cold I haven't had a chance to remove and inspect the bolts. I did look a little further in the Lippert site and found a maintenance manual buried in the bowls of the site. They recommend checking the pin box bolts every 1500-2000 miles (!) and torquing them to 95-110#. I assume that's a Grade 5 torque, as mine are Grade 5 bolts. That setting differs with Etrailer specs, though.
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I would recommend that you use the torque specs listed for whatever pin box you have.
I intend to replace the bolts, I haven't inspected them yet but will make sure that I have the right bolts and torque.
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Retired Plumber, Building & Plumbing Inspector, Stormwater Drainage Inspector.
2013 Mountana Montaineer 375FLF
2011 Open Range Roamer 281FL
2013 Chev Silverado 6.6 Duramax
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06-07-2016, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Elk4me
I would recommend that you use the torque specs listed for whatever pin box you have.
I intend to replace the bolts, I haven't inspected them yet but will make sure that I have the right bolts and torque.
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Grade 5, 5/8" coarse and 95-110# torque, as mentioned.
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Desert185 🇺🇸 (Retired Chemtrail vendor)
-Ram 2500 QC, LB, 4x4, Cummins HO/exhaust brake, 6-speed stick.
-Andersen Ultimate 24K 5er Hitch.
-2014 Cougar 326SRX, Maxxis tires w/TPMS, wet bolts, two 6v batts.
-Four Wheel 8' Popup Camper.
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06-09-2016, 06:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Desert185
I was thinking the same thing this morning. Since I'm sick in bed with a mega-cold I haven't had a chance to remove and inspect the bolts. I did look a little further in the Lippert site and found a maintenance manual buried in the bowls of the site. They recommend checking the pin box bolts every 1500-2000 miles (!) and torquing them to 95-110#. I assume that's a Grade 5 torque, as mine are Grade 5 bolts. That setting differs with Etrailer specs, though.
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Well, my Grade 5, 5/8 bolts and nuts were all tight according to Lippert specs.
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Desert185 🇺🇸 (Retired Chemtrail vendor)
-Ram 2500 QC, LB, 4x4, Cummins HO/exhaust brake, 6-speed stick.
-Andersen Ultimate 24K 5er Hitch.
-2014 Cougar 326SRX, Maxxis tires w/TPMS, wet bolts, two 6v batts.
-Four Wheel 8' Popup Camper.
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06-11-2016, 12:57 PM
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One more thing to add to my torque list. Really glad you posted this issue.
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