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Old 08-09-2012, 07:51 AM   #1
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Numbers just in for TV and Trailer

Not as bad as I thought after hitting the scales this morning.

2011 F250 6.7l Crew Cab
2012 338DB Montana High Country


GAWR FR 5200
GAWR RR 6100

GCWR 23500

Scales said with just me and fuel
4840 FR
3560 RR

GCW 19080
GWR FR 4700
GWR RR 5580

I believe I'm correct that leaves me a little (very little) room for more cargo. We've got everything in the trailer except clothes and food. Hitch pin weight of 2020 sound about right for this trailer. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I feel a lot better now that I've weighed the whole thing and under all the ratings. For passenger cargo weight wouldn't it get divided between the 2 axles (I know not equally but certainly has to affect the front as well as rear)? My limiting number will still be the rear axle weight rating.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:00 AM   #2
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It looks like you have about 500 lbs free on the rear axle and another 500 free on the front axle. That’s 1000 lbs for the others in your truck. If it’s wife and young kids, then you should still have about 500 free somewhere. You’re right that it’s distributed, but to be on the safe side, I wouldn’t load stuff in the bed of the truck. You still have several thousand pounds of GCW left so you can carry stuff in the trailer.
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Old 08-09-2012, 01:33 PM   #3
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Boy you are really close, almost too close.
I still have 1,000 on the rear axle, fully loaded for a trip. Me, DW, two dogs, almost full tank of fuel and all food in the refer.

That said you are currently at 90 of GAWR for the truck, the Max Tow, Max Payload EcoBoost F150 GVWR is 95% of the combined GAWR.

I currently run almost 1,000# over the stated GVWR, but still have another 1,000 on the rear axle before I exceed it's rating.

The best you can do is head out on a trip and stop at the first weigh station you come to and see what the total weights are.
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Old 08-09-2012, 04:19 PM   #4
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You may want to stay away from the highway truck scales, the CHP
will wave you out, they don't want to bother with us, only the over
the road trucks.
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Old 08-09-2012, 05:06 PM   #5
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I take mine to the local landfill. Weigh cost nothing unless you want a printed receipt
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Old 08-09-2012, 06:42 PM   #6
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You may want to stay away from the highway truck scales, the CHP
will wave you out, they don't want to bother with us, only the over
the road trucks.
I don't stop unless the scale is closed. In Oregon the digital readout is always active.
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:21 PM   #7
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I have a question because I'm confused about something regarding the 2500/3500 series trucks.

Take GM for example; the 2500 HD Duramax is a 3/4 ton truck. IS the 3500 HD SRW Duramax a 1 ton OR a 3/4 ton because it is NOT a DRW? (DRW's obviously being 1 ton trucks.)

I can't find any literature anywhere that makes this distinction and it's driving me nuts.
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:33 PM   #8
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I have a question because I'm confused about something regarding the 2500/3500 series trucks.

Take GM for example; the 2500 HD Duramax is a 3/4 ton truck. IS the 3500 HD SRW Duramax a 1 ton OR a 3/4 ton because it is NOT a DRW? (DRW's obviously being 1 ton trucks.)

I can't find any literature anywhere that makes this distinction and it's driving me nuts.
I've been wondering the same too regarding srw 1tons vs 3/4 tons
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:34 PM   #9
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datedd,

250/2500 series trucks are 3/4 ton.

350/3500 series SRW are 1 ton trucks. 350/3500 series DRW are 1 ton dually's.


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Old 08-14-2012, 06:40 PM   #10
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The 3500 SRW is mostly a creation of the marketing dept., similar to the 'Camper Special' 2500 that was offered years ago. Usually the 2500 and 3500 SRW are the exact same truck with the 3500 having overload springs or somesuch. For that matter even the DRW trucks often have the exact same chassis, engine, brakes, frame, everything, as the 2500/3500 SRW, but of course with the two extra tires to increase carrying capacity. This is with the diesel versions anyway, not sure about gas.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:31 PM   #11
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Not as bad as I thought after hitting the scales this morning.

2011 F250 6.7l Crew Cab
2012 338DB Montana High Country


GAWR FR 5200
GAWR RR 6100

GCWR 23500

Scales said with just me and fuel
4840 FR
3560 RR

GCW 19080
GWR FR 4700
GWR RR 5580

I believe I'm correct that leaves me a little (very little) room for more cargo. We've got everything in the trailer except clothes and food. Hitch pin weight of 2020 sound about right for this trailer. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I feel a lot better now that I've weighed the whole thing and under all the ratings. For passenger cargo weight wouldn't it get divided between the 2 axles (I know not equally but certainly has to affect the front as well as rear)? My limiting number will still be the rear axle weight rating.
Did you reverse the two weights in RED?? I have never lost front axle weight with a 5er attached.
If I assume that they are reversed, this is your story
you are at 93% of the front GAWR, and just over 91% of the rear axle rating.
You are carrying 10,420# on a combined GAWR of 11,300 which is 880# combined before you exceed total GAWR.

I thought I was out there I am 1,000+/- over my GVWR, but with 9,750 on axle ratings of 11,284 I am only at 86% of total axle rating and still have 1,534# before I exceed my combined GAWR, with almost 1,000# being on the rear. You only have 580# more on the rear, keep the clothing light as it almost all goes on the pin!

All of that said with the 6.7, good tires, and a light diet you should be OK, just watch the rear GAWR.
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250/2500 series trucks are 3/4 ton.

350/3500 series SRW are 1 ton trucks. 350/3500 series DRW are 1 ton dually's.


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The 3500 SRW is mostly a creation of the marketing dept., similar to the 'Camper Special' 2500 that was offered years ago. Usually the 2500 and 3500 SRW are the exact same truck with the 3500 having overload springs or somesuch. For that matter even the DRW trucks often have the exact same chassis, engine, brakes, frame, everything, as the 2500/3500 SRW, but of course with the two extra tires to increase carrying capacity. This is with the diesel versions anyway, not sure about gas.
That's that's pretty much what I had noticed regarding my 01 3/4 dodge compared to my buddy's 04 1ton srw
Our suspension and drivetrain looked the same mine has the overloads in the rear aswell. So the way to get a true 1Ton is really a drw in a sense
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:27 AM   #14
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Did you reverse the two weights in RED?? I have never lost front axle weight with a 5er attached.
If I assume that they are reversed, this is your story
you are at 93% of the front GAWR, and just over 91% of the rear axle rating.
You are carrying 10,420# on a combined GAWR of 11,300 which is 880# combined before you exceed total GAWR.

I thought I was out there I am 1,000+/- over my GVWR, but with 9,750 on axle ratings of 11,284 I am only at 86% of total axle rating and still have 1,534# before I exceed my combined GAWR, with almost 1,000# being on the rear. You only have 580# more on the rear, keep the clothing light as it almost all goes on the pin!

All of that said with the 6.7, good tires, and a light diet you should be OK, just watch the rear GAWR.
With my dry weight I was in tv. Combined weights I forgot to sit inside the truck on the scales so I just added my weight back into to rear axle as cargo. If I used a closer ratio it would probably free up more rear axle weight since I tossed all my fat on the rear wheels and none on the front. Looking at the numbers I should have at least gone 50/50 with my weight. Good catch though.
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Old 08-18-2012, 03:03 AM   #15
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Just had a passing thought that doesn't get mentioned much. My numbers are obviously close and I have to keep an eye more on cargo than anything else. What is the weight difference between my standard tailgate and a 5th wheel gate? If its @100 lb that could be my genset and fuel.
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Old 08-18-2012, 07:08 AM   #16
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Just had a passing thought that doesn't get mentioned much. My numbers are obviously close and I have to keep an eye more on cargo than anything else. What is the weight difference between my standard tailgate and a 5th wheel gate? If its @100 lb that could be my genset and fuel.
A very good thought. I ditched my tailgate... very heavy, with the weight in just about the worst place possible. It was nothing but a PITA when hitching anyway.
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