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07-26-2015, 03:32 PM
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Fiat Chrysler to buy back pickups
Appears Chrysler is going to buy back approx 300,000 pickups.
Trucks in the two recalls include certain 2008 to 2012 Ram 2500 4 by 4 and 3500 4 by 4, the 2012 Ram 3500 4 by 2 Chassis Cab and the 2008 Ram 1500 Mega Cab 4 by 4. Also covered are the Ram 4500 and 5500 from the 2008.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ap-sou...215648095.html
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07-27-2015, 02:33 AM
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Good to know, thanks for posting this. Been looking at getting a new tow rig, this information changes things.
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07-27-2015, 03:44 AM
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It is good to know.
Not looking at any of these years, but am looking at a Cummins RAM2500.
Time will tell.
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07-27-2015, 05:42 AM
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If they did questionable work for all those years and got away with it until now.... i doubt they stopped in 2012. Just haven't had enough claims yet to go full blown like this one.
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07-27-2015, 06:22 AM
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This is actually really surprising. I think it's fairly common knowledge that Ram has had issues in the past with front end problems, but with several recalls you would have thought they would have fixed it. I find it amazing that it has gotten to this level. Will be interesting to see the details when they are finally released. Hard to imagine 300,000 dodge trucks being completely removed from the streets.
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07-27-2015, 06:40 AM
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From what I read, FCA says they will be allowed to fix and resell the trucks they buy back. I feel sorry for the owners who are hoping for a decent buy-back offer though. But, that feeling may just come from my dealing with Dodge on the cracked block in our '99 diesel.
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07-27-2015, 06:42 AM
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A little more info. Looks like it involves some Jeeps as well, but not clear on which ones.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Pre...ction-07262015
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07-27-2015, 06:53 AM
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I read a comment "somewhere" that, because of the magnitude of the problem (steering I believe), it wouldn't be worth fixing. It went on to say that if there is a buy back, the manufacturer usually doesn't bother trying to repair it.
Once the owner turns in the truck to be bought back, is he required to buy another Dodge or can he/she take cash instead and buy another brand? If it were me, I'm not sure if I would want another Dodge. But if you are a loyal Dodge fan, you'd probably stay with them despite the recall and the length of time the problem has apparently existed.
Strange that this recall does not apply in Canada which begs the question "What are we waiting for?" Surely, if the steering is faulty in the U.S., it is also faulty across the border in Canada, eh? Unlike in the US, the Canadian government cannot force a manufacturer to recall defective vehicles. Instead, it is left up to the manufacturer to issue the recall.
Jeeps' problems are with the location of the gas tank. It apparently is mounted in an "unprotected" area of the undercarriage and left vulnerable to rear end collisions.
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07-27-2015, 09:36 AM
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What are they going to do with all these trucks? Crush them? I wonder what in the steering or suspension makes it too costly to fix?
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07-27-2015, 11:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by {tpc}
What are they going to do with all these trucks? Crush them? I wonder what in the steering or suspension makes it too costly to fix?
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Just google "dodge death wobble".
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07-27-2015, 02:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by {tpc}
What are they going to do with all these trucks? Crush them? I wonder what in the steering or suspension makes it too costly to fix?
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Well considering they have had 21 recalls (I think that's the number I read) and still haven't been able to fix them. All of that has lead to the buy back along with $105m in fines, it must be something pretty serious.
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07-27-2015, 07:30 PM
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Quote:
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What are they going to do with all these trucks?
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Make them into
Friggen
Old
Rebuilt
Dodge's ??
This coming from a Ford person LOL. If in fact they do buy back a vehicle covered in the recall, what is the price being paid and how is it being determined? I can see a lot of unhappy people coming (sp).
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07-27-2015, 08:06 PM
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Before it was Fiat Dodge had the death wobble since I think 2000 and there was no cure for it, trust me I spent thousands trying to get it fixed on my 2001 Ram 250 4x4.
Towing with that truck and going downhill was a freaking nightmare!
I really hope that they compensate people properly as most people worked hard to save their money to buy these trucks.
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07-27-2015, 11:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve S
Before it was Fiat Dodge had the death wobble since I think 2000 and there was no cure for it, trust me I spent thousands trying to get it fixed on my 2001 Ram 250 4x4.
Towing with that truck and going downhill was a freaking nightmare!
I really hope that they compensate people properly as most people worked hard to save their money to buy these trucks.
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I've had two Dodge Rams of that vintage with over 300,000 miles combined. Never had a wobble. Could it be something I'm doing wrong?
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07-28-2015, 08:06 AM
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Details of the buybacks are expected to be released shortly by NHTSA.
Original numbers were 500k now down to 300k .... lets wait to see what the final outcome will be before we speculate a huge scrap pile.
I know there are a lot of Ford owners drooling over the thought of cheap Cummins engines becoming available .... don't count your chickens .......
Many of the problems seem to be with vehicles that have been modified in some way. (oversize tires, body lifts, etc. ) I doubt that FCA will be paying anything for those. As they say on the truck forums " You became your own warranty company".
As Desert185 said, I have had Dodge trucks since 1989 .... Yes, the local front end shop knows me by my first name from visits every 100k mi. or so, but always left there better than new for another 100k mi. or more.
My biggest question is, "What is the government going to do with the $105 million fine ......... I'll bet the owners of the trucks affected won't see a dime. As usual ... JM2˘, Hank
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07-28-2015, 10:04 AM
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The truck problem was not the wobble. The never issued a recall for that at all.
It was in the steering link or radius arm or something. The started out bolted together with clamps. Then changed the design and that started breaking then changed it again. Basically they rebuilt the suspension like 3 or 4 times with different parts.
The other thing is the Jeep Liberty's in rear end collisions. This has been going on for 3 years and still not definite fix. Any aftermarket trailer hitch on these things and they become time bombs.
I think most of the trucks involved were 1500's not 2500 or 3500's.
Someone said it was halfassed work. It was not it was poor designs like most of the recalls that come out are based on. Has nothing to do with dealers or workmanship usually.
This will put Ram trucks back 10 years in sales. They will basically have to start all over again in building the publics trust if they don't get out in front of the PR on this.
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07-28-2015, 12:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ram189
It was in the steering link or radius arm or something. The started out bolted together with clamps. Then changed the design and that started breaking then changed it again. Basically they rebuilt the suspension like 3 or 4 times with different parts.
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We had a'99 Dodge 2500 Cummins, a friend had a '98 2500 Cummins. Both of us had to replace the track bar in the front end once or twice a year because of how loose the steering would become. Especially scary in winter when you weren't sure if you were driving on sheet ice in a storm or just wandering due to poor steering. So, you gotta wonder if the "death wobble", the track bar issues, and now this all come from the same poor design that they kept trying to "improved"?
Of course, this was the same truck I accidentally found out the power steering pump also controlled the brakes. When brand new power steering pump blew a hose because installed wrong by our local dealer, I had no brakes. I loved that engine, but sometimes I can't believe we survived the truck due to some of the engineering design.
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07-28-2015, 12:50 PM
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The person at Fiat that pushed the Chrysler deal through will likely be looking for a new job in the near future.
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07-28-2015, 01:39 PM
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Fiat/Chrysler was shopping the company to GM and Ford this past year. Guess GM and Ford are glad they didn't buy it?
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07-28-2015, 01:49 PM
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Does this effect 2014 and newer models? I am/was shopping for a 2014 but am a little hesitant now.
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