Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×
 

Go Back   Keystone RV Forums > Keystone Tech Forums > Towing
Click Here to Login

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 12-06-2014, 03:29 PM   #1
Starvus
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
Posts: 1
New to 5th Wheels

I have the opportunity to purchase a 2012 Keystone Montana 3750FL and was wondering if I could use a Ford 250, 3/4 ton, to pull it with or will I be sorry for not getting a Ford dually 350, 1 ton to use? Help.
Starvus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2014, 03:45 PM   #2
bsmith0404
Senior Member
 
bsmith0404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Las Cruces
Posts: 4,665
that RV weighs almost exactly the same as my Alpine, both total and pin weight. I towed mine once with a 2500, I now own a 3500 DRW because of it.
__________________

Brent
2013 Alpine 3500RE
2019 Silverado 2500HD Duramax
U.S. Air Force Retired (25 yrs)
bsmith0404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2014, 03:54 PM   #3
Quad
Senior Member
 
Quad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 264
I don't know what you camper pin weight or GVWR are, but my camper is 13,000lb and I pull with a 2500 Duramax. It's pulls great! It will yank the camper around all day long. It even stops good (notice I didn't say great), but when it comes to stability going down the road it lacks. Air bags helped tremendously! But still lacking. I'm currently in the process of getting mine ready to sell and buying a Dually before next spring starts. Can't miss camping season lol I'd vote for dually if you think you need it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
2012 GMC Sierra 3500HD D/A 4x4
2013 Keystone Laredo 321BH
Quad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2014, 04:03 PM   #4
chuckster57
Site Team
 
chuckster57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Modesto
Posts: 20,235
Welcome to the forum

Here is the published specs of the unit your looking at:
http://www.keystonerv.com/previous-y...tana&year=2012

It weighs 12,500 empty and has a pin weight of 2240. It's a given that those numbers are low, and do not include any batteries or propane. if it has a washer and dryer that will add too.

Will your F250 do the job? You need to take it to the scales with everything you would have in it including people, pets, gear and FULL tank(s) of fuel. once you get the weight ticket, look at the rear axle weight, subtract that from the rear axle rating on the drivers door....Less than 2240, NO BEUNO....

FWIW, most of us hauling a big heavy fifth wheel, will tell you a DRW is the only way to go.
__________________

2012 Copper Canyon 273FWRET being towed by a 1994 Ford F350 CC,LB,Dually diesel.
Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.

Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
chuckster57 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2014, 05:12 PM   #5
bsmith0404
Senior Member
 
bsmith0404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Las Cruces
Posts: 4,665
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quad View Post
I don't know what you camper pin weight or GVWR are, but my camper is 13,000lb and I pull with a 2500 Duramax. It's pulls great! It will yank the camper around all day long. It even stops good (notice I didn't say great), but when it comes to stability going down the road it lacks. Air bags helped tremendously! But still lacking. I'm currently in the process of getting mine ready to sell and buying a Dually before next spring starts. Can't miss camping season lol I'd vote for dually if you think you need it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You're 5ers pin weight is listed at 260 lbs less than the Montana.
__________________

Brent
2013 Alpine 3500RE
2019 Silverado 2500HD Duramax
U.S. Air Force Retired (25 yrs)
bsmith0404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2014, 06:12 PM   #6
Quad
Senior Member
 
Quad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 264
Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmith0404 View Post
You're 5ers pin weight is listed at 260 lbs less than the Montana.

Yeah that's a big camper for a 3/4 ton. I didn't see his GVWR listed. But at a dry pin weight of 2250lbs and dry shipping weight of 12.5k. That's within dually territory IMO. His GVWR I'd say it at or around 15k-16k. My dry shipping weight was stated around 10.5k and when loaded with supplies and food and everything else the wife and kids bring, it always hovers around 12k + or - some. It doesn't take much.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
2012 GMC Sierra 3500HD D/A 4x4
2013 Keystone Laredo 321BH
Quad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2014, 07:27 AM   #7
therink
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 1,605
Personally, I would not tow that heavy of a fiver with a 3/4 ton. Beautiful rig, but will have a loaded pin weight of 3000 lbs assuming you load 1500 lbs cargo, options, propane, etc in it.
With a pin weight of 3,000 you have likely exceeded the gvwr of your truck. A 1ton SRW would work, but a DRW would be the best fit for stability.
__________________
Steve Rinker
Rochester, NY
2013 Outback Sydney 340FBH (12,280 lbs loaded-scale)

2015 GMC Sierra Denali 3500HD, SRW, Duramax, CC, SB (payload 3700)

https://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...65/340FBH1.jpg
therink is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2014, 07:35 AM   #8
buckeyebobhockingcamper
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: sandusky ohio
Posts: 94
my rig is 10k empty,1750 pin weight and loaded i know its there!!!i am pulling with 3/4 ton duramax and my cargo limit is 3k,a dually 1 ton would meet your needs much better,why live on the edge?
buckeyebobhockingcamper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2014, 07:47 AM   #9
Keywestparrothead
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: NC
Posts: 104
Starvus - it depends on the truck. I say this because I have a 2010 3750FL and pulled it with a 2008 F350 SRW, and after multiple trips to the scales, I always found myself in the 7-8 % safety margin of maxing out the truck. I say it depends on the truck, because the new 2015s have more capacity and why I upgraded to the 2015 F450. I now have north of 40% safety margin So just check the numbers on the F250, if it is a 2015, and you might find that you will be surprised. If its an older model, I would recommend against it. It is night and day between the F350 I had and the new F450, both the dually and the 6.7 make a huge difference! We love our 3750FL, I hope you will too.
__________________

2015 Ford F450 KR CC
2010 Montana 3750FL
------------------------
Previous addictions...
2008 Ford F350 6.4 KR CC
2008 CC Silverback 32LFGBS TT
2004 Coleman/Fleetwood PU
Keywestparrothead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2014, 09:13 AM   #10
danisr1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: SW Florida
Posts: 13
I agree it depends on the truck. Loaded out the 5th wheel is 15,740 which puts it in the range of what a 3/4 ton can pull. Is a DWR better, sure....is it needed, depends on the specs of your particular Ford.
__________________
2014 Carbon 327
2015 Chevy HD2500 6.6L
danisr1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2014, 10:16 AM   #11
GmaPaTime
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Currituck, NC
Posts: 356
Not knowing what your full truck specs are but assuming the are the same as mine, no way you should tow that 5er with a 250. My trucks GVWR is 10,000 lbs and with the DW and I with our stuff in it is 7,500 lbs. This leaves max 2,500. As someone else often says on this forum, you may be able to pull it, but stopping it is the big question.
__________________
Steve & Amy
2017 Winnebago Aspect 30J
Previously :
2015 Jayco 31UL MH
2015 Cougar X-Lite 29RLI
GmaPaTime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2014, 10:19 AM   #12
GmaPaTime
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Currituck, NC
Posts: 356
Forgot to add that the GCWR is 19,000 lbs. 19k - 13k trailer leaves only 6k TV. Not good.
__________________
Steve & Amy
2017 Winnebago Aspect 30J
Previously :
2015 Jayco 31UL MH
2015 Cougar X-Lite 29RLI
GmaPaTime is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2014, 11:33 AM   #13
notanlines
Senior Member
 
notanlines's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Germantown, TN
Posts: 6,308
Without knowing the particulars of your F-250 you leave little to answer but no, you will be outside the envelope. I believe your trailer weighs about 13K off the line. Put in bare essentials and you're at 14K (and that literally means "Bare.") Your truck will weight about 6500 "bare," so add some fuel, mama and the critters and a suitcase and guess what? Your about 2K beyond what is safe. I have no problem with you towing right on the edge., but once you are that far out then all bets are off. You can't even leave the RV park with full tanks in the belly because that would put you another thousand or more out. Realistically you are in need of a 350, 450, 3500 or something along those lines.
__________________
Jim in Memphis, Wife of 51 years is Brenda
2019 F450 6.7 Powerstroke
2018 Mobile Suites 40RSSA
2021 40' Jayco Eagle
2001 Road king w/matching Harley sidecar
2021 Yamaha X2 Wolverine 1000
notanlines is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2014, 11:55 AM   #14
SAABDOCTOR
Senior Member
 
SAABDOCTOR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: WESTERN,CT
Posts: 2,095
HI I OWN THE SAME 5ER. I did tow with a dodge 2500 diesel manual trans and a351 rear it did a fine job of towing.Long down hill runs were tough on the brakes and long up hills required lots of down shifting. the 3500 daully was a smart upgrade enjoy the 5er we love ours.
__________________
BARNEY AND CHRISTINE
2010 MONTANA 3750FL
2005 DODGE 3500 DUALLY TD
2 RESCUE PUPS: SUSITNA AND CRYSTAL. RIP ALYESKA!
SAABDOCTOR is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Keystone RV Company or any of its affiliates in any way. Keystone RV® is a registered trademark of the Keystone RV Company.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.