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Old 01-24-2021, 09:13 AM   #21
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I have a 2019 F350 dually Lariat. My payload is 5598. With my wife and I, the dog, the hitch, snack cooler, and aux fuel tank I'd not feel comfortable with the reserve to pull that 5er.

I really do wish states would have us hit the scales. Any over a GAWR would be fined and parked waiting on a proper TV.
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Old 01-24-2021, 09:23 AM   #22
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I also have the Raptor 413. TV is a 2019 Ram 3500 drw H O 6 speed Aisen with 5830 # payload capacity. No frills Tradesman, so the capacity is a little bit higher. And I've had a class A cdl for 30 years.
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Old 01-24-2021, 11:11 AM   #23
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Reading this thread got me to thinking. I have a 2018 Ram 2500 HD CTD crew cab 4X4 short bed. When we traded in our Jayco Hybrid (GVWR 5340 lbs) on our Cougar (GVWR 8800 lbs) I never gave a thought to the payload. I knew the truck was rated to tow that much weight. I jus did a little research. For my truck and transmission combination, the payload is 2,380 lbs. My CGVWR is 25,300 lbs, Base weight of the truck is 7,619 and if the trailer is loaded maxed out at 8,800, we're well under limit. Tongue weight on my trailer is 700 lbs. I have a fiberglass shell on the back that weighs is at 400 lbs. I carry about 150 pounds of tools, 100 lbs generator, and about 250 lbs of other misc. accessories. Add in the weight of passengers I'm still under my max payload. All that said, when we're on the road, I know the trailer is back there, but the truck simply doesn't care, it just goes.
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Old 01-24-2021, 11:40 AM   #24
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Reading this thread got me to thinking. I have a 2018 Ram 2500 HD CTD crew cab 4X4 short bed. When we traded in our Jayco Hybrid (GVWR 5340 lbs) on our Cougar (GVWR 8800 lbs) I never gave a thought to the payload. I knew the truck was rated to tow that much weight. I jus did a little research. For my truck and transmission combination, the payload is 2,380 lbs. My CGVWR is 25,300 lbs, Base weight of the truck is 7,619 and if the trailer is loaded maxed out at 8,800, we're well under limit. Tongue weight on my trailer is 700 lbs. I have a fiberglass shell on the back that weighs is at 400 lbs. I carry about 150 pounds of tools, 100 lbs generator, and about 250 lbs of other misc. accessories. Add in the weight of passengers I'm still under my max payload. All that said, when we're on the road, I know the trailer is back there, but the truck simply doesn't care, it just goes.
In doing your research, what was the source you used for the payload of the truck and the trailer tongue weight? They both sound unrealistic to me. If your trailer is loaded close to GVWR (which most are when ready to camp) using 13% for tongue weight should yield a 1,000 - 1,.100 lb. tongue weight.
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Old 01-24-2021, 12:45 PM   #25
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When I just read the OP's post I read it again to make sure the first reading was correct. Wouldn't that also completely overtax the wheels/tires? That is TOO MUCH to be pulling down the road.

Now if he had a Toyota PU he would be fine.
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Old 01-24-2021, 03:29 PM   #26
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In doing your research, what was the source you used for the payload of the truck and the trailer tongue weight? They both sound unrealistic to me. If your trailer is loaded close to GVWR (which most are when ready to camp) using 13% for tongue weight should yield a 1,000 - 1,.100 lb. tongue weight.
I figured I was gonna get asked this. For the trailer, I got the tongue weight from the literature I got when I bought the trailer. For the truck, I got the payload spec straight from Ram. My truck is the Crew cab, short box 4X4 with the 6.7 Cummins and the 68RFE automatic 6 speed trans.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/da...Ram%202500.pdf
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Old 01-24-2021, 03:39 PM   #27
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I figured I was gonna get asked this. For the trailer, I got the tongue weight from the literature I got when I bought the trailer. For the truck, I got the payload spec straight from Ram. My truck is the Crew cab, short box 4X4 with the 6.7 Cummins and the 68RFE automatic 6 speed trans.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/da...Ram%202500.pdf
Brochure weights are pretty meaningless - for trucks and trailers.

Payload for each truck is unique and depends on individual option load/trim level. You need to look at the yellow and white tire and loading sticker on the driver's side door pillar to determine YOUR truck's SPECIFIC payload. It will say 'cargo and passengers should not exceed....'

The same applies with brochure trailer weights. To make a reasonable tongue weight assumption, figure 13% of YOUR trailer's GVWR will go to tongue weight.
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Old 01-24-2021, 04:20 PM   #28
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I figured I was gonna get asked this. For the trailer, I got the tongue weight from the literature I got when I bought the trailer. For the truck, I got the payload spec straight from Ram. My truck is the Crew cab, short box 4X4 with the 6.7 Cummins and the 68RFE automatic 6 speed trans.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/da...Ram%202500.pdf
The tongue weight that's published is not the tongue weight now. That's a "sipping weight" tongue weight that's calculated before the dealer installs the battery, installs filled LP tank and before you put your first change of underwear in the closet. Visiting a scale is only way to tell what the tongue weight actually is. Without that info you can estimate by taking 13% of the trailer GVWR. You'll be much closer to that number by far than the empty weight.

Using a published list of weights is for the truck is also erroneous. Again, the only way to accurately tell is by weighing it. Weight the truck with all the people, pets and stuff that you would take on camping trip. Take that scale number and subtract it from the truck's GVWR. That will be your remaining payload.
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Old 01-25-2021, 12:17 PM   #29
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I also have a '21 413 Raptor, + a '21 3500HD SRW Duramax. With what I weigh out with the garage loaded, passengers, gear and fuel in the truck & RV we are well under weight. Even with water and black and grey tanks full (rarely done) I have some room to spare. One thing I had to give up on was installing a 50gal auxiliary tank in the truck. Based on my past experience I made a conscious choice to go with the SRW.
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Old 01-25-2021, 12:53 PM   #30
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Trailers that size behind single axle trucks makes me cringe even if it is within the specified axle rating. The risk multiplies hauling that much weight with SRW vs DRW.



Another thing that some people don't realize is with hitches and balls pulling travel trailers. Some of those 2-5/16" balls are only rated for 10k lbs or less. Cheap drop hitches are sometimes 7500lbs or less with max tongue weight in the HUNDREDS.



I know what I consider to be my "little" 32' Cougar has a GVWR of 10,500 with a shipping TW of 1200. More than likely closer to 1400lbs. Truck has 2050lb of payload. About 600lbs of extra cargo in the truck. I'm maxed out. Then i pull into the campground and someone is pulling a 40' 5er with the same truck, but they have air bags so they think they are ok.
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Old 01-26-2021, 05:10 PM   #31
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Hell, my dually has a payload of 5605# and I would be leary of pulling the o.p.'s camper.
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Old 01-27-2021, 04:19 AM   #32
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I don't look for the OP to return, OJ Simpson's attorneys would have a hard time defending his case. Not so with the case of ' '21 3500HD SRW Duramax.'
His previous towing experience and also by showing us his yellow sticker and the CAT ticket....what?! He didn't? Sorry.
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Old 01-27-2021, 07:30 AM   #33
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Can anyone give me a quick rundown of how CAT scale operates? Do they have someone there you go in and pay then weigh or weigh then pay or what? I've never been to one.
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Clemson, we’re all glad you asked! I will just cover the procedure to pay and weigh. You will load your RV and TV as if headed camping, complete with fuel. Pull onto the concrete pads with the front TV axle on the last pad, rear axle of the TV on the middle pad and both axles of the RV on the rearmost pad.
Push the receiver/communication button on the pole at your left and the lady inside will handle the rest. If you can’t understand her then just walk in and go from there. Generally $12-13 the first weigh and $2-3 for the reweigh.
Other members will ‘weigh in’ on the sequence of the reweigh and all that so that you can tell every single weight. It is kind of fun the first/second time for everybody and your family should look forward to it.
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Old 01-27-2021, 09:42 AM   #35
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Can anyone give me a quick rundown of how CAT scale operates? Do they have someone there you go in and pay then weigh or weigh then pay or what? I've never been to one.
Check out their website. https://catscale.com/how-to-weigh/ With the app it makes the process very easy.
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Old 01-27-2021, 01:07 PM   #36
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I just go to the freeway weigh stations, roll the front axle over the scale, take number, then truck front and rear axle on the scale, take weight, then the truck rear axle only, take weight, then the traler axles on the scale only, take weight. Write it all down. I usually go when they are closed(very often) and not to impede semi traffic. I am surely doing something wrong here. I then take the truck similarly loaded without the trailer hitched and subtract the differnces. Please educate me. Am i doing anything wrong here. Scale is not big enough for entire unit.
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