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Old 01-26-2019, 05:15 AM   #41
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Congrats on your choice. I just ordered my 3rd Duramax. I would like to address those who say they would go gas because of it sitting. That is the number one reason to go diesel. The reformulated gas that most of us have to burn in the states have additives that will separate and cause problems. There is a reason that diesel is used in farm tractors, it can sit for months on end and will fire up with no problems. After driving and towing with a diesel I will never go back to gas. Also my 2017 Duramax gives me 22-23 MPH on highway while unloaded if I keep it under 70. With all the power I could ever want pulling MP300 @ 12,000 Lbs. (does drop down to 10-12 mpg)
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Old 01-26-2019, 07:53 AM   #42
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Congrats on your choice. I just ordered my 3rd Duramax. I would like to address those who say they would go gas because of it sitting. That is the number one reason to go diesel. The reformulated gas that most of us have to burn in the states have additives that will separate and cause problems. There is a reason that diesel is used in farm tractors, it can sit for months on end and will fire up with no problems. After driving and towing with a diesel I will never go back to gas. Also my 2017 Duramax gives me 22-23 MPH on highway while unloaded if I keep it under 70. With all the power I could ever want pulling MP300 @ 12,000 Lbs. (does drop down to 10-12 mpg)
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Very good point Kevin!
Most diesel owners don't like to buy biodiesel, but nothing has been said so far about ethanol in the gasoline for their gasser tow vehicles.
The ethanol if it sits will start to granulate, sort of like a bottle of honey that's sat a while. Let your lawnmower/snowblower/other small engines sit for awhile without some sort of fuel stabilizer in the ethanol gas & see if they'll start. Plus with the ethanol you can count on a 10% mix will usually cost you 10% in mpg, whereas from my experience I never noticed a difference in mpg with biodiesel, in fact have never paid that much attention if it was/wasn't biodiesel.
Not to offend anyone, but the ethanol is/was just a market for the farmers corn, actually hasn't reduced fossil fuel consumption, probably increased it due to low mpg. Where biodiesel is recycling fats/oils that otherwise would've been disposed of.
Fortunately with minimal cost in the very near future your diesel will have the ability to run on natural gas. In fact there are lots of OTR trucks/buses/municipal vehicles on the highway now running on CNG (compressed natural gas). You'll notice a big portion of interstate truck stops already have CNG filling facilities.
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Another point I'd like ask!
It's been mentioned by several Ford diesel owners on here & other threads about regularly draining water from their fuel filter.
My question is to GM owners, have you ever drained the fuel filter other than when replacing it? I've had 2 Duramaxs for a total of 300k+ miles, never drained water from the filter, never gotten a "water in fuel" message & only changed the fuel filter when the percentage got to about 10%. Even replacing the filter never noticed any significant about of water in the filter. What say the rest of you? Ram owners can chime in as well. Inquiring minds want to know!
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Old 01-26-2019, 08:56 AM   #44
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To answer the Ford owner's "draining fuel filter" question. I've owned 3 Ford diesels, a 1993 7.3L, 1999 7.3L and my current 2015 6.7L. All of the owner's manuals instructed that the fuel filter needed to be drained (to remove water) on a regular basis. I've followed the owner's manual recommendations on all my vehicles, but to date, I've never seen any water in the fuel. I drain into a 1/2 gallon glass container (big mayonnaise jar) and visually check for any water accumulation. All I've ever found is "pure diesel".....

But, in another month, I'll crawl under the truck again and drain a quart of diesel. No, I don't expect to find water, but better to have done it and not found it than to ignore it and destroy an injector or an engine..... YMMV
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Old 01-26-2019, 03:10 PM   #45
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There was nothing that I recall stating to drain it regularly on either of my GMs & if so they made it very difficult to do so with the placement of the fuel filter.
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Old 01-26-2019, 03:33 PM   #46
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To answer the Ford owner's "draining fuel filter" question. I've owned 3 Ford diesels, a 1993 7.3L, 1999 7.3L and my current 2015 6.7L. All of the owner's manuals instructed that the fuel filter needed to be drained (to remove water) on a regular basis. I've followed the owner's manual recommendations on all my vehicles, but to date, I've never seen any water in the fuel. I drain into a 1/2 gallon glass container (big mayonnaise jar) and visually check for any water accumulation. All I've ever found is "pure diesel".....



But, in another month, I'll crawl under the truck again and drain a quart of diesel. No, I don't expect to find water, but better to have done it and not found it than to ignore it and destroy an injector or an engine..... YMMV
I save the diesel I drain in plastic jugs to start campfires... works great and is cheaper than buying starter fluid.
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Old 01-26-2019, 07:09 PM   #47
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Looking at getting a TV just for my camper, so not looking for a daily driver. I have narrowed it dow to these three.
2005 GMC Sierra Crew Cab SLT with 6.6 Duramax, 155k miles
2003 Ford F-250 Lariat Crew Cab with 6.0 diesel, 174k miles
2006 Ford F-350 DRW XLT Crew Cab with 6.0 diesel, 133k miles
All 3 are $12k to $15k
My camper is 2013 Laredo 291tg, 6500 lbs dry, and I plan to carry my golf cart in the truck bed.
I fully expect unbiased opinions, as I have never even seen biased ones from Ford, Chevy, or Ram die hards. I have read and heard good/bad/ugly things about each of these vehicles and each of these engines.
Please justify your response as to which you would go with.
The GMC is bright red, and as we all know, red is faster!

Thanks in advance! Ready to receive!
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Run and stay far far away from the👎 Fix Or Repair Daily👎. My experience as a former Ford 2005 6.0 Powerjoke diesel owner is by 80,000 kms [49700miles] the Ford dealers had installed 14 new fuel injectors-only one at a time,3 turbo chargers, 2 EGR valves and 1 hide pressure fuel pump. But I never had any transmission issues👀. One service manager asked if I was interested in looking at new diesel trucks, I said for sure as long as it has a Dodge Cummins badge on it! The sales department and a future customer heard me say that🤣. I was asked nicely to leave. Now I have a 2011 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins 4x4 Lariat truck with no issues yet-knock on wood. It is by far the best towing truck I have owned.
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Run and stay far far away from the👎 Fix Or Repair Daily👎. My experience as a former Ford 2005 6.0 Powerjoke diesel owner is by 80,000 kms [49700miles] the Ford dealers had installed 14 new fuel injectors-only one at a time,3 turbo chargers, 2 EGR valves and 1 hide pressure fuel pump. But I never had any transmission issues👀. One service manager asked if I was interested in looking at new diesel trucks, I said for sure as long as it has a Dodge Cummins badge on it! The sales department and a future customer heard me say that🤣. I was asked nicely to leave. Now I have a 2011 Ram 3500 6.7 Cummins 4x4 Lariat truck with no issues yet-knock on wood. It is by far the best towing truck I have owned.
Ford earned the "Found On Road Dead", "Funding Our Retirement Daily" (mechanic viewpoint), and "Driver Returning On Foot" (spelled backwards) acronyms due to that 6.0 motor. Its predecessor, the 7.3 was a reliable workhorse of a diesel motor. The new Powerstrokes are just as worthy as the Cummins and Duramax platforms. It's just that one generation of bad motors that can leave a really bad taste in an owner's mouth.
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I keep hearing the complaints about Ford, Chevy, GM, and RAM. They all have "lemons without lemonade" stories and they all have "went 500,000 miles without even a water pump issue"... So, just as the GM 350 Cu In diesel was probably the worst diesel ever produced, the Ford 6.0 was rushed to market before it was ready and the 1972 Dodge Adventurer Camper Special 9000 was a "body man's dream" (if you were the bodyman getting paid for repairs). But I will say, if you could keep the doors closed and the windows rolled up without the steel headliner giving you a headache when it fell onto you at 70MPH, that 360 engine and the LoadFlite D727 transmission were great. Now about that tail gate that wouldn't stay closed......

They all have issues, all have complaints, all have "don't buy that model" urgings and all have "super trucks that people stand in line to buy".....

Buy what you like, that's why Baskin Robbins is so successful. You get to choose what you like, not take the only choice available..... YMMV
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Pontiac Astre/Chevrolet Vega? Not trucks but "holy moley" those engines.
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I keep hearing the complaints about Ford, Chevy, GM, and RAM. They all have "lemons without lemonade" stories and they all have "went 500,000 miles without even a water pump issue"... So, just as the GM 350 Cu In diesel was probably the worst diesel ever produced, the Ford 6.0 was rushed to market before it was ready and the 1972 Dodge Adventurer Camper Special 9000 was a "body man's dream" (if you were the bodyman getting paid for repairs). But I will say, if you could keep the doors closed and the windows rolled up without the steel headliner giving you a headache when it fell onto you at 70MPH, that 360 engine and the LoadFlite D727 transmission were great. Now about that tail gate that wouldn't stay closed......

They all have issues, all have complaints, all have "don't buy that model" urgings and all have "super trucks that people stand in line to buy".....

Buy what you like, that's why Baskin Robbins is so successful. You get to choose what you like, not take the only choice available..... YMMV


Those 318s, 360s and 383s were tough engines. Had a 67 Plymouth Fury III w/383 and TorqueFlite - nice car and ran better than you would think. Back in the late 60s and 70s Chrysler products had some pretty bulletproof drive trains....but, as you said, "now, how about those body parts that seemed as if they were never meant to be together".
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Read a lot about million mile Duramax's never about a million mile Ford.
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Read a lot about million mile Duramax's never about a million mile Ford.
https://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/26/...in-four-years/

http://mechlloyd.com/index.php/news-...-1000000-miles

https://leftlanenews.com/2011/05/05/...till-counting/
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Getting 20 mpg towing 11-12k lb rvs???? Must downhill both ways!
I've got some ocean front property in Arizona for sale also!!!
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TT, sometimes i think that these BS’ers think we dont have a briain. Dude in our park has a ‘06 Ram Cummins towing an older three axle Raptor (big) and not towing gets 24-25 at 75, and 15 towing at 65-70. Uh huh, he may be looking for some ocean front in Arizona.
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TT, sometimes i think that these BS’ers think we dont have a briain. Dude in our park has a ‘06 Ram Cummins towing an older three axle Raptor (big) and not towing gets 24-25 at 75, and 15 towing at 65-70. Uh huh, he may be looking for some ocean front in Arizona.
Your saleslman surely indicated you'd get 20 mpg towing your MS with your new F450 didn't he?? You said he was very forthcoming with other VERY useful information!!!
There's folks on another forum stating they're getting 18-20 mpg in their class A & C motorhomes with the Ford V10, in actuality they're lucky to get half of that.
It all makes for good campfire stories!!! Bring your own hip waders!!!!
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TT, our last V10 was DW’s Excursion. 300K when sold. But towing our 38 Fountain Lightning (12K with trailer) best we ever got was 10. 15-16 no tow. But it was a hoss and burned almost no oil. Blew one plug as did my ‘02 with 365K.
Our salesman is a long time friend and a straight shooter, but he knew very little about 450’s.
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