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12-15-2022, 12:13 PM
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Hitch weights
Hi folks, I am wondering if anyone can tell me why the difference in hitch weight (from the official Keystone brochure ) of the 2020 29RLD and 29RLDWE? @ 300 LB. Im hoping to avoid "salesman speak" but am considering a purchase.
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12-15-2022, 12:28 PM
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If memory serves me WE is a “Western edition” and may have different construction or placement of components.
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12-15-2022, 12:35 PM
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The Eastern edition has the front windshield that probably adds 50 to 60 lbs. Mine has the optional 2nd AC in the front that adds more hitch weight. Other than that I don't know of any other differences. These models are heavier than the posted hitch weights for sure. Guess this applies to all models since I have a 25RDS and not the 29.
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12-15-2022, 01:00 PM
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I believe some western editions also have 15" vs 14" tires as well.
While on the subject of hitch weights - forget about either of those weights being accurate in the real world. Those are for completely empty trailers, excluding even propane and battery(s). Figure roughly 13% of the trailer's GVWR for tongue weight as a rough estimate.
My 29RLKWE has a brochure published tongue weight of 810 lbs. Actual, per CAT scale weighing is 1200 lbs when loaded up to 8500 lbs.
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12-15-2022, 04:11 PM
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The difference between a WE unit and non WE unit can be substantial; types of slides etc. The floorplan will be the same but there are lots of "piece parts" that can be interchanged that make a big difference.
I personally observed this difference when comparing Cougar 315RLS units in FL and TX. With the build variances I would not be surprised at all at that amount of difference, and as was pointed out by markcee, those numbers you posted aren't "real life" numbers so don't predicate a purchase based on those and how the match up to your tow vehicle.
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12-15-2022, 04:44 PM
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Hitch Weight
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Originally Posted by SW_Easyride
Hi folks, I am wondering if anyone can tell me why the difference in hitch weight (from the official Keystone brochure ) of the 2020 29RLD and 29RLDWE? @ 300 LB. Im hoping to avoid "salesman speak" but am considering a purchase.
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My Alpine 3650RL factory specs show a hitch weight of 2,675# but the Cat scales show an actual hitch weight of 3,380#. A difference of 705#. Sometimes I think the lower factory hitch weight number is more of a sales ploy to get people with undersized trucks to buy a heavier than advertised rv. I was pulling mine with a Chevy 3500HD SRW because I thought it was enough truck. NOPE! Over the GVWR after I scaled it. Stepped up to a more capable truck. Overweight problem solved.
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12-15-2022, 09:28 PM
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Brochure & website tongue/pin weights will be based from the rv dry weight, which is meaningless to the consumer, while most rvs will have 1000-3000+ lbs of cargo capacity which greatly affects those weights.
If your looking for a good average guesstimate for tongue weight use 13% of the GVWR (use 23% for 5th wheels) to posted on the manufacturers tag on the drivers side front corner of the chosen rv then add 100lbs for the WDH.
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12-15-2022, 10:17 PM
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As pointed out you can not trust the weights listed in the brochure. The advertised weights are factory assembly floor weights from stripped down units...no batteries, spare tire, gas bottles, accessories, etc.
If you can't get it weighed as pointed out estimate 13% of gross and 25% for a 5th wheel. The brochure for my 5th wheel lists the pin at 1375lbs and a gross of 10600lbs. When I weighed it on the CAT scale the pin weight was just around 2100lbs right around 20% of gross. I ad in the 5th wheel at about 185lbs, driver, passenger and anything else in the truck and I'm around 2800lbs of payload.
Do not believe the salesman! You can not trust anything they say. You can't tell if they are lying or telling the truth, which is seldom...lol
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12-16-2022, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE You can't tell if they are lying or telling the truth, which is seldom...lol QUOTE
Sure you can, if their lips are moving its probably BS!
There's 2 numbers a rv salespersons will quote, #1 the dry weight of whatever rv you're looking at & #2 the max tow rating of your truck, both these numbers are absolutely useless in pairing a truck to a particular rv.
In the rv world you, nor anyone else but the delivery driver, will ever tow any rv near that dry weight, once it's arrived at the dealer batteries, propane, fluids & any dealer options are added increasing that dry weight several 100 lbs.
The tow rating of your truck in the real rv world could most never be attained as you'd exceed to posted payload long before you'd safely tow that much weight.
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12-17-2022, 03:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SW_Easyride
Hi folks, I am wondering if anyone can tell me why the difference in hitch weight (from the official Keystone brochure ) of the 2020 29RLD and 29RLDWE? @ 300 LB. Im hoping to avoid "salesman speak" but am considering a purchase.
Thanks
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The brochure weight is a weight determined by the trailer manufacturer for the single purpose of vehicle certification. The only weight a consumer can count on is actual measured weight.
The following is the actual wording from the regulations/standards.
FMVSS 571.110 paragraph S10.2 On RV trailers, the sum of the GAWRs of all axles on the vehicle plus the vehicle manufacturer's recommended tongue weight must not be less than the GVWR.
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12-18-2022, 05:50 AM
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not sure where the hitch weight of 300 comes from. The manufacturer specs it out at 1085. per attached.
https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2020-...-29rld-tr42330
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12-18-2022, 07:05 AM
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Max, I believe the OP is referring to the difference of 300# of tongue weight.
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12-22-2022, 12:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by travelin texans
QUOTE You can't tell if they are lying or telling the truth, which is seldom...lol QUOTE
Sure you can, if their lips are moving its probably BS!
There's 2 numbers a rv salespersons will quote, #1 the dry weight of whatever rv you're looking at & #2 the max tow rating of your truck, both these numbers are absolutely useless in pairing a truck to a particular rv.
In the rv world you, nor anyone else but the delivery driver, will ever tow any rv near that dry weight, once it's arrived at the dealer batteries, propane, fluids & any dealer options are added increasing that dry weight several 100 lbs.
The tow rating of your truck in the real rv world could most never be attained as you'd exceed to posted payload long before you'd safely tow that much weight.
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What he said. The only way to really know what your tongue weight is, is with a hitch scale. Couple years ago I borrowed a buddies just out of curiosity. Have a 3500 and a small trailer, but hey would like to know. Trailer fully loaded, fresh water tank full (in the front). If memory serves I was at 900 lbs on the tongue scale. And come to think of it, I didn’t have my Anderson WDH hooked up. I’m guessing that would have made the # smaller. Wish I had 900 lbs of hitch weight all the time when I’m driving that truck. Hate driving it empty. Kidney buster.
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